Welllll? I think it is interesting how "they" keep wanting to make is a matter of how much knowledge one has to have in order to be saved. The truth is, can you deny basic Bible doctrine and be saved and if you say you can, then how much can you deny and be saved? Pretty soon there is nothing left but "let's all just get along and not make an issue out of doctrine and join hands, lifting them up in praise as we sing kum by ya. DW > -----Original Message----- > From: Pastor Hughes [mailto:embc@...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > > now david > arent you being just a little over simplistic here.... > > heheehehehh > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://www.eastmesabaptist.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > > > > The issue is whether you can deny it and be saved. Some > things one could > > be ignorant of and be saved but some things one can't deny > and be saved. > > > > DW > > > > > >> A person doesn't have to believe in being caught to be > saved. The new > >> body will be raptured anyway. Isn't this an issue that will be > >> discussed with God himself when we're with Him? > >> > >> Bill Burns > >> > >> > >> Jerry <jelewis@...> wrote: > >> What other kind of Rapture do you believe in???? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Pastor Hughes > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > >> > >> > >> who said pre trib rapture > >> Pastor Hughes > >> www.eastmesabaptist.com > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jerry > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:20 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > >> > >> > >> Fidel, > >> > >> No, it doesn't help .... because you are still blurring > the lines and > >> assuming that different things are the same when they are not. > >> > >> One MUST believe in the resurrection of Christ in order > to be saved > >> according to the passage you referenced and also Romans 10:9-10. > >> > >> That is not the same as believing in a pre-trib rapture. > >> > >> Jerry > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Pastor Hughes > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:52 AM > >> Subject: [PastorsForum] I didnt know the bible said that? > >> > >> > >> Jerry you said..... > >> > >> I didn't know the Bible said you had to believe in the > rapture and > >> in the tribulation in order to be saved .... well, actually, .. I > >> still don't ... because that is not supported by the Scriptures. > >> > >> Jerry > >> > >> > >> > >> 1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, > then is Christ > >> not risen: > >> 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching > vain, and your > >> faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false > witnesses of God; > >> because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he > >> raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead > >> rise not, then is not Christ raised: > >> 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye > are yet in your > >> sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are > >> perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, > we are of > >> all men most miserable. 20 ΒΆ But now is Christ risen from > the dead, > >> and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man > >> came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. > 22 For as > >> in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But > >> every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; > afterward they that > >> are Christ's at his coming. > >> > >> > >> my friend the resurrection and the rapture go hand in hand..... > >> no rapture ....we would still be in our sins...our > preaching vain and > >> our faith vain... > >> > >> if one doesnt believe the bible when confronted with > biblical truth it > >> is obvious they just arent saved....I know that sounds > harsh...but you > >> can make any excuse for them you want to... > >> > >> dont take my word for it ...take Jesus word.. > >> > >> Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye > therefore hear > >> them not, because ye are not of God. > >> > >> hope this helps > >> > >> good morning all > >> > >> its a beautiful morning > >> morning...dallllllaaaaaaaaaaallaaaaaaaaaaadellllllllllooooooooooo > >> > >> > >> Pastor Hughes > >> East Mesa Baptist Church > >> http://www.eastmesabaptist.com/ > >> > >> > >> To subscribe, send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > >> To unsu bscribe, send any message to: > >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... Eph.4 :29 Let no corrupt > >> communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which > is good to > >> the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers . > >> > >> > >> > >> = To subscribe, send any message > to:pastorsforum-join@... > >> To unsu= bscribe, send any message to: > >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... Eph.4= :29 Let > no corrupt > >> communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which = > is good to > >> the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the > hearers= . > >> > >> = > >> > >> To subscribe, send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > >> To unsu bscribe, send any message to: > >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... Eph.4 :29 Let no corrupt > >> communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which > is good to > >> the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers . > >> > >> > >> > >> To subscribe, send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > >> To unsubscribe, send any message to: > >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... Eph.4:29 Let no corrupt > >> communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which > is good to the > >> use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. > >> > >> > >> > >> To subscribe, > >> send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > >> > >> To unsubscribe, > >> send any message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > >> > >> Eph.4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your > mouth, but > >> that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may > minister grace > >> unto the hearers. > > > > To subscribe, > > send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To unsubscribe, > > send any message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > Eph.4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your > mouth, but that > > which > > > > > > > > To subscribe, > send any message to:pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, > send any message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > Eph.4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your > mouth, but that which >