John,
I am curious....
you said your supositions are
anti-church and anti-tradition and de-constructionalist

when you approach scripture this is the mind set you have.....
well
now
I
understand it better......

thats why you are a
divorced pastor with tatoos and earings... listening to rock music and
drinkin booze......

it is because of your suppositions

thanks for clarifying this for me.....

sincerely
Pastor h.
----- Original Message -----
From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: [PastorsForum] your hermeneutic


> pastor hughes,
>
> may i ask a question?  what is your hermeneutic?  what
> are the "pre-supporsitians" you come to scripture
> with?
>
> every person comes to reading the scripture with a set
> of opinions that guide and control our reading - some
> we know out right; for me, i know i come with a
> "anti-church" "anti-tradition" "deconstructionalist"
> point of view.  but i must also be aware that i come
> with some i do not know upfront - my culture, my
> upbringing, my income level, my family, my friends, my
> position, and more.  all these have an effect on my
> reading of scripture - no one can be objective in
> reading the scripture - no one - we all have a
> hermeneutic we work under - what is your?  just
> wondering if you desired to share that with me :)
>
> pax
> jok
>
>
> --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> wrote:
> > Enjoy
> > caution......a little tough for some to chew.....
> > take your time so you dont choke on it.... :)
> >
> > What The Bible Says About A Godly
> > Attitude Toward Heresy
> > In these days of theological confusion and
> > ecclesiastical compromise, what is the Biblical
> > position for the Bible believer to assume toward
> > heretics and false religious teachers? Are we to
> > patronize them, associate with them, accept their
> > sponsorship, increase their numbers, send them
> > converts, add to their prestige, follow their
> > leadership, identify our churches with them,
> > obliterate important Biblical distinctions with
> > them??? The Bible's answer is clear.
> >
> >
> > 1. Try them . . .
> > 1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but
> > try the spirits whether they are of God: because
> > many false prophets are gone out into the world."
> >
> >
> > 2. Mark them . . .
> > Romans 16:17, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark
> > them which cause divisions and offences contrary to
> > the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. Rebuke them . . .
> > Titus 1:13, "This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke
> > them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; .
> > . ."
> >
> >
> > 4. Have no fellowship . . .
> > Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the
> > unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove
> > them."
> >
> >
> > 5. Withdraw thyself . . .
> > 2 Thessalonians 3:6, "Now we command you, brethren,
> > in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye
> > withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh
> > disorderly, and not after the tradition which he
> > received of us." (See also 1 Timothy 6:3-5).
> >
> >
> > 6. Turn away from them . . .
> > 2 Timothy 3:5 " . . .Having a form of godliness, but
> > denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
> >
> >
> > 7. Receive them not . . .
> > 2 John 1:10,11, "If there come any unto you, and
> > bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your
> > house, neither bid him God speed: For he that
> > biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil
> > deeds." To our day false teachings are fostered by
> > misplaced hospitality.
> >
> >
> > 8. Have no company with him . . .
> > 2 Thessalonians 3:14, "And if any man obey not our
> > word by this epistle, note that man, and have no
> > company with him, that he may be ashamed."
> >
> >
> > 9. Reject them . . .
> > Titus 3:10, "A man that is an heretic after the
> > first and second admonition reject; . . ."
> >
> >
> > 10. Be ye separate . . .
> > 2 Corinthians 6:17, "Wherefore come out from among
> > them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch
> > not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, . .
> > ."
> >
> > --The above adapted from an article by: G. Archer
> > Weniger, D.D.
> >
> >
> > Contend for the faith . . .
> > The Bible teaching is plain. God's people and God's
> > churches are forbidden to make common cause with
> > modernism. Heresy is to be exposed. The ecumenical
> > movement is controlled by heretics. Ecumenical
> > evangelism ignores the Scriptural teaching on sound
> > doctrine, in order "to reach lost souls." What a
> > farce! We should be interested in lost souls, but
> > compromise is not God's way. Jude was interested in
> > "the common salvation", but he also contended for
> > "the faith."
> >
> > Jude 3,4, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to
> > write unto you of the common salvation, it was
> > needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you
> > that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which
> > was once delivered unto the saints. For there are
> > certain men crept in unawares, who were before of
> > old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,
> > turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
> > and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus
> > Christ."
> >
> > Pastor Hughes
> > East Mesa Baptist Church
> > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/
> >
>
>
> =====
> john o'keefe
> http://www.ginkworld.net
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