John, I am curious.... you said your supositions are anti-church and anti-tradition and de-constructionalist when you approach scripture this is the mind set you have..... well now I understand it better...... thats why you are a divorced pastor with tatoos and earings... listening to rock music and drinkin booze...... it is because of your suppositions thanks for clarifying this for me..... sincerely Pastor h. ----- Original Message ----- From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [PastorsForum] your hermeneutic > pastor hughes, > > may i ask a question? what is your hermeneutic? what > are the "pre-supporsitians" you come to scripture > with? > > every person comes to reading the scripture with a set > of opinions that guide and control our reading - some > we know out right; for me, i know i come with a > "anti-church" "anti-tradition" "deconstructionalist" > point of view. but i must also be aware that i come > with some i do not know upfront - my culture, my > upbringing, my income level, my family, my friends, my > position, and more. all these have an effect on my > reading of scripture - no one can be objective in > reading the scripture - no one - we all have a > hermeneutic we work under - what is your? just > wondering if you desired to share that with me :) > > pax > jok > > > --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> wrote: > > Enjoy > > caution......a little tough for some to chew..... > > take your time so you dont choke on it.... :) > > > > What The Bible Says About A Godly > > Attitude Toward Heresy > > In these days of theological confusion and > > ecclesiastical compromise, what is the Biblical > > position for the Bible believer to assume toward > > heretics and false religious teachers? Are we to > > patronize them, associate with them, accept their > > sponsorship, increase their numbers, send them > > converts, add to their prestige, follow their > > leadership, identify our churches with them, > > obliterate important Biblical distinctions with > > them??? The Bible's answer is clear. > > > > > > 1. Try them . . . > > 1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but > > try the spirits whether they are of God: because > > many false prophets are gone out into the world." > > > > > > 2. Mark them . . . > > Romans 16:17, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark > > them which cause divisions and offences contrary to > > the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." > > > > > > > > 3. Rebuke them . . . > > Titus 1:13, "This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke > > them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; . > > . ." > > > > > > 4. Have no fellowship . . . > > Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the > > unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove > > them." > > > > > > 5. Withdraw thyself . . . > > 2 Thessalonians 3:6, "Now we command you, brethren, > > in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye > > withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh > > disorderly, and not after the tradition which he > > received of us." (See also 1 Timothy 6:3-5). > > > > > > 6. Turn away from them . . . > > 2 Timothy 3:5 " . . .Having a form of godliness, but > > denying the power thereof: from such turn away." > > > > > > 7. Receive them not . . . > > 2 John 1:10,11, "If there come any unto you, and > > bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your > > house, neither bid him God speed: For he that > > biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil > > deeds." To our day false teachings are fostered by > > misplaced hospitality. > > > > > > 8. Have no company with him . . . > > 2 Thessalonians 3:14, "And if any man obey not our > > word by this epistle, note that man, and have no > > company with him, that he may be ashamed." > > > > > > 9. Reject them . . . > > Titus 3:10, "A man that is an heretic after the > > first and second admonition reject; . . ." > > > > > > 10. Be ye separate . . . > > 2 Corinthians 6:17, "Wherefore come out from among > > them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch > > not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, . . > > ." > > > > --The above adapted from an article by: G. Archer > > Weniger, D.D. > > > > > > Contend for the faith . . . > > The Bible teaching is plain. God's people and God's > > churches are forbidden to make common cause with > > modernism. Heresy is to be exposed. The ecumenical > > movement is controlled by heretics. Ecumenical > > evangelism ignores the Scriptural teaching on sound > > doctrine, in order "to reach lost souls." What a > > farce! We should be interested in lost souls, but > > compromise is not God's way. Jude was interested in > > "the common salvation", but he also contended for > > "the faith." > > > > Jude 3,4, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to > > write unto you of the common salvation, it was > > needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you > > that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which > > was once delivered unto the saints. For there are > > certain men crept in unawares, who were before of > > old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, > > turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, > > and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus > > Christ." > > > > Pastor Hughes > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > > > > ===== > john o'keefe > http://www.ginkworld.net > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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