john - i think i saw her/him also :) the only person who has the right to define that person, is that person - no other person has the right to define another :) pax jok --- John Keeter <jmkeeter@...> wrote: > You already did! > > ANd if you define yourself as a tall Blonde lady-- > and you are NOT -- then I > aint calling ya one! > Course onece in NJ I did see a tall blonde lady > with a goatee before ! > > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Universal Church > > > > ok, but then i define me - and you can only call > me as > > i call me :) > > > > pax > > jok > > > > --- John Keeter <jmkeeter@...> wrote: > > > YOU define YOU- we only refer to you as what you > is! > > > > > > :-) > > > And vice versa! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...> > > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Universal Church > > > > > > > > > > steven > > > > > > > > thank you - i will take your lable :) i think > > > lables > > > > have value only when you pick one for you - > others > > > can > > > > not assign one to you, because then they are > > > defining > > > > you and that is not right :) > > > > > > > > pax > > > > jok > > > > > > > > --- "Steven G. Rockhill" > <revrock@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Welcome to the forum! > > > > > Don't worry about not having/using any > labels - > > > just > > > > > hang out here for a > > > > > bit and they (the labels) will come. :-) > > > > > In fact I will label you right now ---- > > > Brother!!!! > > > > > Take that for a > > > > > label you labeless fellow. How does it feel > now > > > to > > > > > be labeled like the > > > > > rest of us? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > PS - I should say that I totally disagree > with > > > you > > > > > on your methods of > > > > > 'doing church' although I may not > necessarily > > > > > disagree with the > > > > > principle behind the method. > > > > > > > > > > PSS - You have already labeled yourself in > an > > > > > earlier post as > > > > > Postmodern/Emerging - that is if > anti-labeling > > > is a > > > > > label in itself. > > > > > > > > > > PSSS - I don't think there is necesarrily a > > > problem > > > > > with using labels, > > > > > but I understand the confusion that they can > > > > > sometimes bring about. To > > > > > my in-laws > Being Conservative is what you > > > wear. > > > > > To me > being > > > > > Conservatie is theological. > > > > > > > > > > PSSSS - Okay this is the last PS - I should > warn > > > you > > > > > that the label I > > > > > gave you above doesn't wash off (well maybe > if > > > you > > > > > prove yourself to be > > > > > fruitless - i.e. a heretic) no matter how > hard > > > you > > > > > try - you can immerse > > > > > yourself, sprinkle water on your head, pour > > > water on > > > > > your head, or dunk > > > > > yourself forward once and back twice (or is > it > > > > > forward twice or back > > > > > once - I don't know I'm not Brethren) - it > just > > > > > won't work - the label > > > > > sticks. :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > john okeefe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >well, i am the new guy so i will add my two > > > cents - > > > > > >and if need be run and hide :) > > > > > > > > > > > >i tend to think all lables are misplaced > and > > > only > > > > > >service to place people into a box. > > > personally, i > > > > > am > > > > > >neither "conservative" or "center" or > "liberal" > > > or > > > > > >"fundy" or "progressive" or "anything" that > > > others > > > > > >desire to place on me :) what i have found > is > > > that > > > > > >most of the time people who give lables do > so > > > to > > > > > push > > > > > >people away, not it identifie who they are > :) > > > > > > > > > > > >whenever i use a lable i place it in > "quotes" - > > > > > >because of there lack of meaning. besides, > i > > > know > > > > > >people who say they are "liberal" who > others > > > say > > > > > are > > > > > >"conservative" - so do lables actually have > a > > > > > meaning? > > > > > > or are they just ways of saying "i am > better > > > then > > > > > >you?" :) > > > > > > > > > > > >just my 2 cents :) > > > > > > > > > > > >--- mwcarnes <mick.jinx@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The elder brother > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: DAVID POWELL > > > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:44 > PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i > have > > > a > > > > > >>problem > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Come on guys! This is getting a bit > > > ridiculous! > > > > > > > > > > >>There is nothing wrong with having some > fun at > > > > > >>church. What! Do all of us belong to the > > > First > > > > > >>Church of the Chosen Frozen? There have > been > > > > > >>several times I have used exercises > similar to > > > > > this > > > > > >>to stimulate conversation in one of my > > > classes! > > > > > >>Show me in the Scriptures how the order of > > > service > > > > > >>is to go. I bet you can't find one > reference > > > to a > > > > > >>church bulletin, or opening "Call to > worship, > > > > > >>opening prayer, hymn, hymn, offering, > prayer, > > > > > hymn, > > > > > >>special music, sermon, invitation, sharing > and > > > > > >>caring etc, etc. etc. We as churches > > > sometimes do > > > > > >>the same thing over and over and over and > over > > > > > until > > > > > >>it becomes a rut!!!! Do you know what the > > > > > >>definition of a "rut" is? A rut is a > grave > > > with > > > > > >>both ends kicked out! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I am also disappointed that no one > answered > > > my > > > > > >>trivia question: > > > > > >> "Who was the wickedest man in the Whole > > > Bible?" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> God Bless > > > > > >> Dr. D. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > > > > >> (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: Pastor David Warner > > > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 > 12:39 PM > > > > > >> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] gentlemen > i > > > have a > > > > > >>problem > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I just made part of this translation > up > > > and I > > > > > >>like it because I can understand it and it > > > appeals > > > > > >>to me. > > > > > >> But Peter, standing up with the > eleven, > > > lifted > > > > > >>up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men > of > > > > > Judaea, > > > > > >>and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be > this > > > known > > > > > >>unto you, and hearken to my words: I wilt > > > asketh > > > > > >>thee some trivia questions from all the > > > prophets > > > > > and > > > > > >>the law to let you have some fun and test > thou > > > > > Bible > > > > > >>(1) knowledge. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> (1) Note: the word "Bible" is not in > some > > > of > > > > > >>the better translations. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: jim > > > > > >>[mailto:jim.melissa@...] > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:38 > PM > > > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] > gentlemen i > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > >>problem > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> We have used it on occasion for a > > > portion of > > > > > >>the service on a Sunday night or Wed. > night, > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > >>seemed to be well received. It was good > to > > > pit > > > > > the > > > > > >>teens against the older people and see the > > > > > outcome. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> How is asking Bible questions a > reproach > > > to > > > > > >>our Lord? It is more likely a reproach on > > > many > > > > > for > > > > > >>their lack of Bible knowledge! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jim > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- a > > > > > >> From: DEACON64@... > > > > > >> To: pastorsforum@... > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 > 11:40 > > > PM > > > > > >> Subject: [PastorsForum] gentlemen > i > > > have a > > > > > >>problem > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Pastors: > > > > > >> What do you think about this > problem I > > > > > have > > > > > >>any suggestions will be welcomed. > > > > > >> in our Sunday evening service many > > > months > > > > > >>ago one of my people suggested we spend 10 > > > minutes > > > > > >>playing a bible trivia game something to > > > challenge > > > > > >>the people. well i decided to pit the > ladies > > > > > against > > > > > >>the men and it went over real well with > most > > > of > > > > > them > > > > > >>but there are a few that believe i stepped > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > >>line. now i have been friends with my > > > congregation > > > > > >>for 30 years so those that are upset are > not > > > going > > > > > >>to leave. But do you think I am bringing > > > reproach > > > > > to > > > > > >>our Lord by allowing this bible trivia. I > > > > > certainly > > > > > >>enjoy it as do the majority but my heart > is > > > going > > > > > >>out to those who are somewhat offended. > thanks > > > for > > > > > >>your input. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Joe Santos > > > > > >> Pastor Bethel Baptist Church > > > > > >> Bethel's Web Site > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >john o'keefe > > > > > >http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! 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