fidel, let me say this for all to know - brian knows this - but let me share it with the rest - i actually like "pastor h" :) i like his convictions, his heart, his willingness to hold to his faith and even his "snippy" little remarks - i may disagree with him on most of the stuff we talk about, but i think that's cool - you can not shake my faith, you can not cause me to "go crazy" and you can not make me leave :) i have a budhist mink friend who thinks most "ultra liberail christians" are a waiste of time - in fact, he would rather have a meeting with a "pastor h" then many christian pastors - because he would not feel cottled and he would be with a man who felt as strongly about his faith as he does with his own. bring it on - johnny is a big boy :) pax jok --- FIdel Hughes <embc@...> wrote: > John > > ok > > I will try to improve > > I realize that along with my cuttin and pastin I > have > done some snippin too....... > > I vow to put down the glue bottle.....put the > scissors away > > and be a good fun-da-mental-ist ....from this day > forward > > I do..... > > I certainly dont want to drive anyone crazy or cause > them to crack up....... > > I was jus tryin to stimulate your thinking ......not > short circut your > christianity > > has there been any irrepairable damage done yet? > > speak to me > John.......slap.....slap.......slap......are you > still with > us???? > > quick .....someone get the smellin salts..... > roflol > sincerely > pastor h. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] To Judge or not to > Judge? > > > > you wrote: "this is somewhat meaty so chew slowly > and > > swallow carefully......or you may throw-up.....but > eat > > it again its good for you .....:) > > > > Caution.....not for the novice or > fainthearted.....but > > a man with a teachable spirit..." > > > > RE: i have to let you know - because it is part > of my > > hermeneutic :) that this is one of the biggest > > problems we who are postmodern/emerging have with > the > > "modern" church - this statement implies that if > we > > disagree with you then we are wrong, and that we > have > > a "unteachable spirit" - we find such statements > and > > attitudes arrrogant and abusive - you believe that > if > > we see things different "we are the bad guys" - > you > > demand that we do it your way, but you refuse to > even > > hear our words - you make fun of them and slight > them, > > and ignor what we say - and you wonder why we do > not > > desire to speak with you - why we do not desire a > > dailog with you - because you insult us, you > belittle > > us, and when we stand up for our selves you make > us > > out to be "bound for hell" - closed minds, are > like > > closed doors - the only way you get to see who is > > outside is if you look in a peep-hole. > > > > if you truly desire an honest and open dialog, i > am > > very willing to be part of that - but if all you > > desire to do is insult me, belittle me, and ignore > my > > opinions - let me know and i can have meaningful > > conversations with others in this group :) what i > > have found most refreshing, is that even when > others > > disagree with me they never came across "snippy." > > > > > > pax > > jok > > > > > > ===== > > john o'keefe > > http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential > things, liberty; and in all > things, charity." > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential > things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > ===== john o'keefe http://www.ginkworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/