Nobody said marriage  is man made.  Jesus told us to abide by the laws of
the land.  Give to Caesar what he is due.  Abiding by the law of the land is
proper as long as it does not contradict the law of God.  Having a wedding
certainly does not go against the law of God.

If a man is man enough to have a wife he should also be man enough to take
the responsility of giving her his last name and especially if there is a
child involved.

Apparently you don't see things this way.

Dr Mike







----- Original Message -----
From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class


> so, marriage is man made?
>
>
> --- Mike Tittle <drmike1@...> wrote:
> > jok
> >
> > In reality unless you are  being married be a state
> > official, such as a
> > judge or justice of the peace, it should be a
> > combination of "all of the
> > above".  According to the law you get a license and
> > have a ceremony, either
> > in church or in the appropriate office of the
> > government.   No scripture
> > says to not get a marriage license.  We are to
> > follow the laws of the state
> > in which you live.  We are only to oppose the law of
> > the land if it directly
> > opposes God's law.
> >
> > Therefore, if you have a church ceremony, have a
> > minister perform the
> > ceremony, and have a legal marriage license, it is
> > all standing before God.
> > In this case the state, the minister and God all
> > confirm the marriage.
> >
> > If you go to the justice of the peace and get
> > married it is still standing
> > before God.  God allows governments to rise in power
> > and He will take them
> > down if they disobey Him.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Dr Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
> > To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] a sleep in class
> >
> >
> > > delmar -
> > >
> > > i was wondering if you can do me a favor and
> > define
> > > marriage?
> > >
> > > for example - are people married because the state
> > > says they are?  are they married because a
> > minister
> > > says they are?  are they married because they
> > stood
> > > before God and declared their undying love?  how
> > do
> > > you define marriage?
> > >
> > > pax
> > > jok
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Delmer G. Lawson" <delgene@...> wrote:
> > > > MWCarnes:
> > > >
> > > > Fornication defined is: "unlawful intercourse
> > > > between unmarried people."
> > > > Married people can commit fornication if they
> > have
> > > > sex with other than
> > > > their mates.  True, that is adultery, but it is
> > also
> > > > fornication, just as
> > > > homosexual people commit fornication when they
> > > > indulge in their illicit
> > > > sexual practices.
> > > >
> > > > Because of Calvary, yours,
> > > > Delmer G. Lawson
> > > > Jesus loves you, and I do too
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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