i don't believe asking a question is rediculous - if you don't want to answer - that's fine, but i still have the right to ask - but you do not have the right to impune :) pax jok --- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...> wrote: > Don't be ridiculous!!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john okeefe [mailto:jxpxus@...] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:46 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] backsliding > > > i wonder how we then deal with the scripture that > share with us the fact that the disciples left their > families :) > > one more thing - was jesus married? > > pax > jok > > --- Pastor David Warner <dwarner@...> > wrote: > > Okay, now that's the first time I ever heard > anybody > > say Paul was divorced. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: iggy [mailto:iggy@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:16 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] backsliding > > > > > > funny to me that Paul was able to > establish > > a church set up it's > > doctrine, write inspired scripture, be the same > > level as Jesus (?), yet > > because he may have been divorced, not pastor a > > church.... > > > > weird, > > > > iggy > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: pastorsforum@... > > Date: 02/04/04 11:41:59 > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] backsliding > > > > Bro.., > > I`ve seen this "logic" > > before........QUESTION ? Was Paul a pastor > > ? in any sense of the word? OR was he a > > "missionary", "church planter"? > > "Evangelist"? > > It is clear to me that a pastor ought to > be > > the husband of one wife > > period ! If he is not married , divorced, or > widowed > > he does not and cannot > > meet the requirements set forth in Scripture ! > > Sittin` on the side lines Cecil > > > > *********** > > > > DAVID POWELL <dpowellaz@...> wrote: > > Then Pastor David, that begs another > > question. Was Paul able to > > lead churches himself? If, hermeneutically > > speaking, the mandate of 1 Tim. > > 3 is to deal with the marital status of an > > Episkopos, episkopos, Bishop then > > the mandate would also be that an unmarried man > > could not, under any > > circumstances, be a bishop or a pastor. As for > > Paul: > > > > 1 Cor. 7:7, I wish everyone could get > > along without marrying, just > > as I do. But we are not all the same. God gives > some > > the gift of marriage, > > and to others he gives the gift of singleness. > > > > The literal hermeneutical approach that > you > > have lined up would also > > prohibit widowers from being pastors because the > > words in the scriptures for > > "be" the husband of one wife, in the Greek are > > (Present Active Indicative, > > 3rd Person Singular) Which shows only present > action > > that continues on into > > the future! If a man's wife is dead, he no longer > > IS (present tense) the > > husband of one wife but instead he "Was" the > husband > > of one wife! Just > > throwing a little muddy water into the discussion! > > > > God Bless > > Pastor David P. > > > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site > building > > tool. Try it! > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - > Click > > Here > > > > > ===== > john o'keefe > http://www.ginkworld.net > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing > online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential > things, liberty; and in all > things, charity." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential > things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > ===== john o'keefe http://www.ginkworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html