Jerry,
I am in total agreement with the words of both Lee and Steve.
Steve has stated the case rather mildly with much kinder words than
deserved.
Please reconsider your wrongdoing, apologize and re-instate David W. or
apply your standard consistently.
Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee A" <leea@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] I Cannot Believe this happened!!
Jerry,
Bro. Steven's post needs nothing added to it and I will not try except to
say that I also think you should re-instate David W and consider your own
wored and actions in the past weeks.
Lee A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: [PastorsForum] I Cannot Believe this happened!!
> Jerry,
> I cannot believe you did this!!! This is totally outrageous and uncalled
> for. IMHO it is an abuse of your authority as moderator of the forum. I
> can't believe you allowed your personal feelings about David get in the
> way of your responsibility as forum moderator in that you used your
> authority to just boot someone off the forum because "you" perceived their
> postings were "caustic and full of rancor." Jerry, have you ever
> objectively looked at one of your own posts? If David is guilty of being
> "caustic and full of rancor" then many of your own posts deserve the same
> censure. Even your line drawing between what is fair "criticism" and what
> is unfair "bashing" is unbelievably hypocritical as it comes down to as
> long as you are saying it (and don't mention any names) it is o.k. but if
> someone else says the same thing (but mentions a name) - it is not o.k.
> That is pure double-speak. The same goes for when you get on your
> "traditions of men" rant. Everyone else is following a tradition of men
> but you - Get out of the box brother and look in a mirror - you too are
> influenced by your own traditions of men!!! We all are to some extent -
> yet you see it in everyone else but yourself.
> And then you tell David that you "have gone the extra mile" with him
> (referencing Mat 5:41 I assume). Yet you don't comprehend the meaning of
> that passage. Do you think Jesus meant that once you go the second mile
> then you are done and you can quit (or boot the other guy out as the case
> may be)? No, we are to bear with one another continually. It is similar
> to what Jesus says in Matthew 18:22 - we are to forgive someone not only 7
> times but seventy times seven. Of course this does not mean that once
> someone offends us for the 491st time we are no longer obligated to
> forgive him - the number of times is to be endless. Same with the miles -
> you keep going. Yes if someone offends you deal with it (biblically
> according to Mt. 18) but you keep going with them because they are your
> brother in Christ. Christ died for him too!!!
> Also, you know how much this forum means to many of the men (and 1
> woman) who participate in it (especially the regular posters). Many of us
> are relatively isolated in our ministries - not having many other
> opportunities for fellowship. And limited as this form of communication
> is - it has been a great blessing and source of encouragement to many if
> not all, even a lifeline at times. When we are discouraged - who do we
> share with - our brothers on the forum. When we are rejoicing - who do we
> share that with - our brothers on the forum. I truly miss some of the
> guys that have "chosen" to leave - I hope that at some point they might
> return. But knowing how much this forum means to us - I can't believe you
> purposely booted David off. It not only affects him and the fellowship he
> had with us - but it also affects us and the fellowship we had with him.
> I have grown to love this group but now it is totally changed - my friend
> and brother is gone and he is not able to come back even if he wanted to.
> I just do not think that David did anything worthy of getting booted off.
> I know he rankled your feathers (and he did mine at times too) but that is
> not any reason to disfellowship with him (and unfairly force that
> disfellowship upon the rest of us). If you didn't like his posts then you
> too had the freedom to hit the delete button just like the rest of us.
> There were many times when I corresponded with David off forum when I
> thought he was going overboard and he always responded positively. I
> can't think of anyone that was complaining about David's posts (other than
> when he and Doc got into their spats - but the both of them were guilty
> there).
>
> I haven't yet decided what I am going to do (if I have the choice)
> but I just can't believe you did this!! The last thing I want to do is to
> join another forum. I would suggest that you immediately reinstate David
> to the forum and hopefully with some personal correspondence between the
> two of you - you can at least come to an agreement to disagree. Jerry, up
> till now you have done a pretty good job moderating the forum - but this
> is a terrible abusive and tyrannical decision. I cast my vote against
> it!!!!!!! If being moderator is too much for you to handle than maybe it
> is time to pass it on - I know there are many other concerns on your plate
> at this time - besides there is nothing that says one man has to lead it
> all the time. I certainly would be willing to consider it as I am sure
> there are others as well. Passing the baton is also a lot better than
> disbanding the entire forum altogether as you allude to in your message
> from last Sunday that you quote below.
>
> Please know that I do not write this lightly - I am really upset about
> this and I don't get upset very easily. So please consider my suggestion
> about David (or the forum) over the Lord's Day and let us know Monday what
> if anything you plan to do. I will be keeping you in prayer brother.
>
> Peace in Christ Jesus,
> Steve
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> Jerry wrote:
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>>
>> I have been on the road, driving over 1000 miles the last couple of days,
>> so I am slow catching up with my Email.
>>
>>
>> David Warner is no longer part of pastorsforum.
>>
>>
>> He was removed from the list a week ago (Saturday) after persistent
>> postings that were caustic and full of rancor. DW evidently expected
>> this because he had given everyone his email address “just in case…”
>>
>>
>> My note to him afterwards included:
>>
>> I feel that I have gone the extra mile with you, yet you continue to
>> express disdain for me personally and for the operating parameters of PF.
>>
>> In the past, we have had some interesting and helpful discussions, but
>> the recent ones have certainly been acerbic.
>>
>> The attitude and tone of your posts directed at me, and others, who
>> oppose your positions, has not been godly.
>>
>> Perhaps you will give prayerful consideration to this ….. and at some
>> time in the future we can again dialog on the issues of interest.
>>
>>
>> In a recent post to someone on PF I commented:
>>
>> I have stated repeatedly that discussion of any doctrines and teaching is
>> proper and acceptable on PF. You are free to criticize and to analyze
>> and critique anyone's belief and practice, just do it without bashing and
>> character assassination.
>>
>>
>> You can take oppose any teaching you like of Benny Hinn or Rick Warren or
>> whoever, ... even me ....
>>
>> My note to the group list last Sunday evening included:
>>
>> In a few recent posts, some members have expressed disdain for following
>> the rules, and their acrid remarks have been offensive.
>>
>> If you do not care about following the stated parameters of this
>> discussion group then you have no business being here.
>>
>> If you cannot or will not follow the rules then go to another forum
>> somewhere else.
>>
>>
>> As men of God, I believe that we can show proper respect for one another
>> in a spirit of love and grace even when we passionately disagree with one
>> another’s position on the issues before us.
>>
>> As men of God, I believe that we can express our disagreements without
>> name-calling or personal attacks.
>>
>>
>> As men of God, when we post the work of another, we can show the author
>> and the readers proper respect by crediting the author.
>>
>> If we cannot, then we will close this discussion forum.
>>
>>
>> Let's move forward with the right attitudes ...
>>
>>
>>
>> A few months ago, several good men departed from PF because of the nasty,
>> mean-spirited tone of some of the postings. Recently, more have left.
>>
>>
>> There have been times when many of us may seem to be sharp and even blunt
>> with our comments, yet we must endeavor to show respect for others when
>> we fervently disagree with their positions.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Lee A <mailto:leea@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2007 7:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Fwd: Cut Out
>>
>> Jerry L, do you have an explanation for why DW is not able to post
>> to the list? Since he is a friend of most here I for one would
>> like to know what happened to cause him to be unable to post?
>> Thanks Lee A
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Dean West <mailto:ldw45@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@...
>> <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2007 12:14 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Fwd: Cut Out
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Hopefully this is just a computer glitch or a mistake. Surely
>> Jerry L. will have an explanation.
>> Dean
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jeff Hallmark <mailto:bctexan@...>
>> *To:* pastorsforum@...
>> <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2007 10:08 AM
>> *Subject:* [PastorsForum] Fwd: Cut Out
>>
>> Hey, Jerry L. did David Warner get the boot this morning??
>>
>>
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