I don't see the over educated part (not an attack) and no, according to
"my truth" in no case can a divorced person be a pastor.
Mike Cantrell
----- Original Message -----
From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Divorced Pastors
> mike-
>
> cool - and i take the "truth"(not absolute truth :) )
> that it was not directed at me :) but given that i am
> the only divorced,ordained, over educated pastor on
> the block - you can see where i would be confused :)
>
> so, you would say that in some cases it would be ok
> for a divorced person to be a pastor?
>
> pax
> jok
>
> --- Mike Cantrell <mcantrell@...> wrote:
> > John, if you read my post for what I said instead of
> > argument,you will find
> > that I said "few" and "most"
> > The post was not directed at you personally.
> >
> > Mike Cantrell
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john okeefe" <jxpxus@...>
> > To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Divorced Pastors
> >
> >
> > > mike,
> > >
> > > i haveto say you are just so wrong :) i was going
> > to
> > > blast you - but then realiezed that my reastion to
> > > your words need not be hurtful - we disagree, but
> > you
> > > truly need to reread your words and see how they
> > do
> > > not make sense -
> > > you mention that "in your opinion most" - well, i
> > am
> > > not in that "most" - the "cause of the divoce" is
> > not
> > > up fopr public debate - but i was not in faulst -
> > at
> > > all - but then in your mind i need to be punished
> > for
> > > the sins of another :)
> > >
> > > pax
> > > jok
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Cantrell <mcantrell@...> wrote:
> > > > I am one of those who believe that a divorce man
> > > > should not be pastor of a church. However, I
> > do
> > > > not believe that it cancels out God's calling on
> > his
> > > > life. A man whom God has called "into the
> > Gospel
> > > > Ministry" has other avenues to express his
> > calling.
> > > > It is my belief based on the scriptures given in
> > > > this forum that a divorced man simply has not
> > "taken
> > > > care of his household." Most divorces, and I
> > have
> > > > counseled many going through this terrible
> > ordeal,
> > > > are the fault of BOTH parties. Very few are
> > caused
> > > > by only one mate. If a man or woman pays
> > attention
> > > > to the home front and cleaves to and cherishes
> > their
> > > > mate like scripture tells us to, then most
> > divorces
> > > > would not happen.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Cantrell
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Charlie Carroll Jr.
> > > > To: pastorsforum@...
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women Preachers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If a preacher is divorced he most definitely
> > knows
> > > > the pain that divorce comes with. Also the
> > stigma
> > > > that precedes it. Again I wonder if all
> > preachers
> > > > comply with all the conditions that Paul speaks
> > > > about in 1 Timothy, is divorce more important
> > than
> > > > any other condition. How about patient,
> > hospitable.
> > > > Would you quit preaching because you are not
> > > > patient. My brother asked how can you counsel
> > > > someone about staying faithful to one wife if
> > you
> > > > are divorced. Now I am not saying that you have
> > to
> > > > be divorced to talk about divorce. But a
> > divorced
> > > > person can tell you first hand what happens how
> > much
> > > > pain you feel how alone you feel. You see I
> > know
> > > > what happens when you fail in a marriage I don't
> > > > want anyone to go through divorce. Yes I am
> > divorced
> > > > and I still don't believe in it. Again would
> > not
> > > > want anybody to go through it. But God still
> > uses
> > > > me, and when He tells me (and believe me He will
> > let
> > > > me know ) to stop preaching I will stop.
> > Because
> > > > not being in God's will is the worst possible
> > place
> > > > to be. I know a lot of you will have a lot of
> > > > criticism for me, but I had rather do what God
> > > > called me to do than what man tells me.
> > Sometimes it
> > > > would be so much easier to just quit rather that
> > > > have to listen to so much criticism. But that's
> > when
> > > > I remember the cross and what my Jesus did for
> > me
> > > > and it seems to make it a little easier. I have
> > > > heard this said "the Christian army is the only
> > army
> > > > that shoots their wounded" maybe we ought to
> > start
> > > > reaching our hands out to lift someone up rather
> > > > than push them back down.
> > > > Here because of Jesus
> > > > Charlie
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Warren Webster
> > > > To: pastorsforum@...
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women Preachers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your bible must read differently than mine.
> > For
> > > > the life of me, I cannot find where she was a
> > > > Deacon--it does NOT say that! Being a servant
> > does
> > > > not make you a deacon--have met a few in my
> > lifetime
> > > > who for sure were not servants!
> > > >
> > > > I have noticed that everyone that says that
> > I
> > > > Timothy 3:12 does not refer just having one
> > wife,
> > > > are almost always without exception divorced
> > > > themselves. An interesting thot, how do you
> > counsel
> > > > with someone about divorce and staying faithful
> > to
> > > > one wife when you are divorced?
> > > >
> > > > Women are certainly not second class
> > citizens
> > > > and without them it would be impossible to run a
> > > > church, but contrarywise, God never called them
> > to
> > > > preach and/or be deacons. I do not think that
> > it is
> > > > too difficult to understand what is very plain
> > in
> > > > the Scriptures. By the way, women are happiest
> > when
> > > > they are in subjection to a man who takes care
> > of
> > > > them and protects them and loves them and treats
> > > > them as the Queen of the home.
> > > >
> > > > Have a good day.
> > > >
> > > > Warren D. Webster
> > > > Ind. Baptist Preacher in Japan
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: J
> > > > To: pastorsforum@...
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:10 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women
> > Preachers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brother Cecil,
> > > >
> > > > Please do not tear the page with Romans
> > 16:1
> > > > out of your Bible. It is still the Word of God
> > that
> > > > declares a WOMAN, Phoebe, was a DEACON in the
> > > > church. 2 Tim. 3 12 MUST be interpreted in
> > light of
> > > > Romans 16:1. Paul was not contradicting
> > himself.
> > > > The meaning of 2 Tim 3:12 has to be in regard to
> > > > plural marriage and not divorce and remarriage
> > or
> > > > even that only a married man can be a deacon.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry L.
> > > > Southside Baptist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Cecil Tiller
> > > > To: pastorsforum@...
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:09
> > PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women
> > Preachers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You must have a "problem" interpreting 2
> > > > Tim.3:1,12
> > > > "If a man...", vs 12 "Let the deacons be
> > the
> > > > husbands of one wife....."
> > > > Cecil
> > > >
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > john okeefe <jxpxus@...> wrote:
> > > > jerry -
> > > >
> > > > i have zero problem with a women
> > pastor :)
> > > > i think
> > > > God calls heart, not gender :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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