[pastorsforum] Re: [PastorsForum] How Christmas Evans Became a Baptist

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From: "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:17:33 -0400
The thought had crossed my mind - but I don't think I have been that 
offensive lately.   :-[

Peace,
Steve

Jeff Hallmark wrote:
> Hey, Steve how do you know if Gary got you message, you might be on 
> "time out"
>
> heheheheheheheheheheeee
>
> On 3/15/07, *Steven G. Rockhill* <revrock@... 
> <mailto:revrock@...>> wrote:
>
>     Wow That's pretty brutal but could come in handy.  You could even
>     technically put someone in "time out" for a while.  Thanks Gary thanks
>     for the info.  I use Thunderbird and I just looked and they have a
>     similar feature.
>
>     Peace,
>     Steve
>
>     Gary Webb wrote:
>     > Let me take this opportunity to inform those who use Outlook Express
>     > that you can select not only the forums you participate in, but
>     also
>     > the members that you believe offer valuable input.  If you find a
>     > particular member to be unusually unprofitable to you, simply go to
>     > the menu item "Message" and then select "Block Sender".  That will
>     > automatically send all that person's emails to the "Deleted Items"
>     > folder.  It is a very useful feature and might avoid many
>     unnecessary
>     > emails going back and forth about what is or is not appropriate
>     > content on the forum.  I have already blocked several members of
>     > various forums this way.  By now, I'm sure I've already saved
>     several
>     > hours of hitting the "Delete" key.  In addition, my doctor has
>     > reported great improvements in my blood pressure.
>     >
>     >
>     > GARY WEBB
>     >
>     >     ----- Original Message -----
>     >     *From:* Jerry <mailto:jlew@...
>     <mailto:jlew@...>>
>     >     *To:* pastorsforum@...
>     <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>     <mailto:pastorsforum@...
>     <mailto:pastorsforum@...>>
>     >     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:42 PM
>     >     *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] How Christmas Evans Became a
>     Baptist
>     >
>     >     Jeff,
>     >
>     >     Jerry, you sure seem proud of this 'muddog' campbellite.
>     >     Is that the only way you can respond to his points, ....an
>     insult?????
>     >
>     >     "Proud"???  .......  "Muddog Campbellite" ?????
>     >
>     >     ..............
>     >
>     >     There are people who also say, "The Bible makes
>     Pentecostals" ....
>     >
>     >     Jerry
>     >
>     >         ----- Original Message -----
>     >         *From:* Jeff Hallmark <mailto:bctexan@...
>     <mailto:bctexan@...>>
>     >         *To:* pastorsforum@...
>     <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>     >         <mailto:pastorsforum@...
>     <mailto:pastorsforum@...>>
>     >         *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:12 AM
>     >         *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] How Christmas Evans Became
>     a Baptist
>     >
>     >         Jerry, you sure seem proud of this 'muddog' campbellite.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >         On 3/13/07, *Jerry* <jlew@...
>     <mailto:jlew@...>
>     >         <mailto:jlew@... <mailto:jlew@...>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >             The title of this piece is interesting ..... "T*he Bible
>     >             Makes Baptists"*
>     >
>     >             Consider another perspective, ....  Bob Felkner wrote
>     >             this, posted
>     >             on
>     http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume20/GOT020346.htm
>     <http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume20/GOT020346.htm>
>     >            
>     <http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume20/GOT020346.htm%20>
>     >
>     >             Now, I do not agree with all of Mr Felkner's thoughts
>     >             here, or in the whole article, but find them interesting
>     >             in light of the statement "T*he Bible Makes
>     Baptists."  *
>     >             **
>     >             Do remember that I am Baptist, but let me go on record
>     >             that I despise sectarian pride.  There are God-loving,
>     >             committed disciples of Christ in many different
>     >             denominations and groups.
>     >
>     >             Jerry
>     >             PS:  This is not an endorsement of Bob Felkner or Truth
>     >             Magazine.
>     >             **
>     >             **
>     >             *"Almost thou persuadest me to be a . . . "*
>     >
>     >             Baptists are wrong when they conclude that the Bible
>     makes
>     >             Baptists. From the Baptist book, we hear the following
>     >             statements: "The Bible has'a tendency to turn men
>     toward
>     >             the Baptist position" (Odle, p. 94). "I believe that
>     >             anybody who gets hold of a New Testament, reads it, and
>     >             obeys it is very likely to come out of that
>     experience a
>     >             Baptist" (Odle, p. 24) . . . . . . every doctrine of the
>     >             New Testament is Baptist doctrine" (Odle, p. 93).
>     >
>     >             It would be nice for them if they could turn to Acts
>     26:28
>     >             and read, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a
>     Baptist." But
>     >             they cannot read that in the New Testament; furthermore,
>     >             they cannot read of anyone ever being "a Baptist."
>     John,
>     >             the son of Zacharias and Elisabeth, was known as "the
>     >             Baptist," not "a Baptist." He was called this because he
>     >             was "the baptiser" or the one who baptized (Mk.
>     6:14, 24,
>     >             ASV). He was not a Baptist preacher, and he was not a
>     >             member of the Baptist church, but it does mention the
>     >             church that Christ built. John the Baptist was never a
>     >             member of the church that Christ built because he
>     was dead
>     >             before it was established. In Matthew 14:10, we read
>     that
>     >             Herod "beheaded John in the prison," and in Matthew
>     16:18
>     >             (two chapters later), Jesus promised to build the
>     church.
>     >             John was never a member of the Baptist Church, and Paul
>     >             never persuaded anyone to become a Baptist, and that is
>     >             why I am not a Baptist. I had rather be a member of the
>     >             church that Christ built and wear the name that shows my
>     >             relationship to Him.
>     >
>     >             ..... Baptists are guilty of preaching doctrines other
>     >             than that which the apostles preached, and that is why I
>     >             am not a Baptist.
>     >
>     >             In his conclusion he states:
>     >             Baptist words and Baptist doctrines have been compared
>     >             with the words of the New Testament, and there is an
>     >             impressive difference between them. I have attempted to
>     >             make an honest presentation of the truth. If
>     Baptists will
>     >             be just as honest in their acceptance of this truth,
>     they
>     >             will cease to be Baptists.
>     >
>     >             I agree with the Baptist preacher who said: "This day in
>     >             which we live, beloved brothers and sisters, is no
>     day for
>     >             dillydallying, or shillyshalling, by mealymouthed
>     >             preachers. It is the day of all days for no stammerer in
>     >             the pulpit or an insipid, spineless, and convictionless
>     >             Christian in the pew" (Odle, p. 117).
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             **
>     >
>     >                 ----- Original Message -----
>     >                 *From:* Jeff Hallmark <mailto: bctexan@...
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>     >                 *To:* pastorsforum@...
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>     >                 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:41 PM
>     >                 *Subject:* [PastorsForum] How Christmas Evans
>     Became a
>     >                 Baptist
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 *The Bible Makes Baptists*
>     >                 Christmas Evans, a Welsh Baptist preacher, was
>     born on
>     >                 Christmas day in 1766.  He preached fervently and
>     >                 effectually to the Welsh people from about 1787 his
>     >                 death in July 1838.  He gives the following
>     account of
>     >                 how he became a Baptist.
>     >
>     >                 "A person of the name of Amos had left the
>     >                 (Presbyterian) church at Liwynrhyodwn, and had been
>     >                 baptized at Aberduar.  He came to see me, and I
>     began
>     >                 to assail the Anabaptist heresy, as I had been
>     >                 accustomed to consider it.  But Amos soon silenced
>     >                 me.  I attributed my defeat to my ignorance of
>     the New
>     >                 Testament, and therefore began to read from the
>     >                 beginning of Matthew, to prepare myself for the next
>     >                 interview.  Having read the New Testament through, I
>     >                 found not a single verse in favor of Paedobaptism
>     >                 (i.e. baptizing infants).  I met frequently with
>     >                 passages in the Old and New Testaments referring to
>     >                 the circumcision and naming of children, their
>     >                 bringing up in the 'nurture and admonition of the
>     >                 Lord,' etc. but with none making any mention of
>     their
>     >                 baptism; while about forty passages seemed to me to
>     >                 testify clearly for baptism on a profession of
>     faith.
>     >                 These scriptures spoke to my conscience and
>     convinced
>     >                 me of the necessity of personal obedience to the
>     >                 baptism which Christ had ordained.  After a little
>     >                 struggle between the flesh and spirit, obedience and
>     >                 disobedience, I applied to the Baptist church at
>     >                 Aberduar.  I was cordially received."
>     >
>     >                 This took place in the summer of 1787, four years
>     >                 after his conversion.  At age twenty, he was
>     baptized
>     >                 in the river Duar by Timothy Thomas.
>     >
>     >                 Hey, Dean me thinks I beat you to the
>     posting,  hehehehehe
>     >
>     >
>     >                 --
>     >                 Bro. Jeff Hallmark
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