I do not agree that this is a moot point.
The point is, .. unregenerate people, even non-Jewish people, were commended
for their FAITH in trusting Jesus and received healing and miraculous
deliverance from demons on account of their faith BEFORE they were born
again.
Faith is simply taking God at His word, believing His word, and acting upon
His word.
Faith LEADS unto salvation, not stems from salvation as reformed theology
teaches..
Faith is a catalyst that brings eternal life. He that believeth HATH
eternal life. One never reads in the Bible that "He that is elected
believeth."
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derick Dickens" <Derick@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Examples of Spiritually Dead People Exercising
FAITH.
> Jeff,
>
> This is a moot point in reformed theology. We believe you must exercise
> faith. Again, most of the arguments against reformed theology is more
> due to the strawmen or misunderstandings than actually what we believe.
> The issue is whether someone who God draws will do anything other than
> exercise faith. In other words, is it God who sought and draws a person
> or is it a person, who God says does not seek after God, can put their
> faith in Christ without God drawing or be able to resist that drawing.
>
> Derick
>
> Jeff Hallmark wrote:
>>
>> A Roman Centurion exercised FAITH. who were dead in trespasses and
>> sins;
>>
>> Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that
>> followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no,
>> not in Israel.
>> Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and
>> west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the
>> kingdom of heaven.
>> Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer
>> darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
>> Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; an d as thou
>> hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in
>> the selfsame hour.
>>
>>
>> A woman with a disease ecercised FAITH. who were dead in trespasses
>> and sins;
>> Mat 9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of
>> blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
>> Mat 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment,
>> I shall be whole.
>> Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said,
>> Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the
>> woman was made whole from that hour.
>>
>>
>> Two blind men exercised FAITH. who were dead in trespasses and sins;
>> Mat 9:27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.
>> Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to
>> him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?
>> They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
>> Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith
>> be it unto you.
>> Mat 9:30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them,
>> saying, See that no man know it.
>> Mat 9:31 But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in
>> all that country.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Canaanite mother exercised FAITH. who were dead in trespasses
>> and sins;
>> Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts,
>> and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of
>> David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
>> Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and
>> besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
>> Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost
>> sheep of the house of Israel.
>> Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
>> Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the
>> children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
>> Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs
>> which fall from their masters' table.
>> Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is
>> thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was
>> made whole from that very hour.
>>
>> A blind man exerciese FAITH. who were dead in trespasses and sins;
>> Luk 18:35 And it came to pass, that as he was come nigh unto Jericho,
>> a certain blind man sat by the way side begging:
>> Luk 18:36 And hearing the multitude pass by, he asked what it meant.
>> Luk 18:37 And they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth passeth by.
>> Luk 18:38 And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy
>> on me.
>> Luk 18:39 And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold
>> his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have
>> mercy on me.
>> Luk 18:40 And Jesus stood, and commanded him to be brought unto him:
>> and when he was come near, he asked him,
>> Luk 18:41 Saying, What wilt thou that I shall do unto thee? And he
>> said, Lord, that I may receive my sight.
>> Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath
>> saved thee.
>> Luk 18:43 And immediately he received his sight, and followed him,
>> glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto
>> God.
>>
>>
>> A man named Jarius exercised FAITH. who were dead in trespasses and
>> sins;
>> Luk 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not:
>> believe only, and she shall be made whole.
>> Luk 8:51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go
>> in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of
>> the maiden.
>> Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she
>> is not dead, but sleepeth.
>> Luk 8:53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead.
>> Luk 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and
>> called, saying, Maid, arise.
>> Luk 8:55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he
>> commanded to give her meat.
>>
>>
>> A man kicked out of the Temple exercised FAITH. who were dead in
>> trespasses and sins;
>> Joh 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had
>> found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
>> Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe
>> on him?
>> Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is
>> he that talketh with thee.
>> Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bro. Jeff Hallmark
>> www.sprucelandbaptist.com <http://www.sprucelandbaptist.com>
>> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/
>
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