Steve,
I agree that abortion is murder in God's eyes, but ...... do you
excommunicate every member who sins????
Do you throw out every member who votes Democrat???? The Democrat platform
has for many years been pro-choice.
If a church member is against inter-racial marriage, do you expel them
too????
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven G Rockhill" <revrock@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Re: [offlist] Re: [PastorsForum] Secret
Society - see any missing??
> Jerry K.
> I will answer your question to Kevin for myself if you don't mind: A
> person who is pro-abortion would not be a member of my church. Being
> pro-abortion is opposed to the law and commands of God in His Word. If
> someone in my church had an abortion - they would be liable to church
> discipline. If they were repentant they would remain a member. If they
> were not repentant they would be excommunicated. Abortion is murder even
> though our judicial system says it is o.k., it is murder in God's sight.
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
> Jerry Krewson wrote:
>> Kevin in black*---Jerry L. in blue---Jerry K. purple*
>> *Kevin,*
>> *Understand, I am not disagreeing with you. But I want to ask you a
>> question. If you think I go too far astray in what I ask and propose,
>> just say so and I will not be offended. *
>> ** *You make a reply to Jerry L. : *
>>
>> *Some of the people I know who are or were in the Klan are church
>> members. *
>>
>> **
>> This is a disgrace! I would not tolerate this in my congregation for one
>> minute!
>> Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall
>> not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.' But I say to
>> you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to
>> judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and
>> whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire." (Mat
>> 5:21-22 ESV)
>>
>> How can a church tolerate unrepentant murderers in it's midst?
>> *Now, earlier in your post you write: *
>> Now, I am not saying that every member of the KKK has burned a cross on
>> some one's lawn or has lynched a man in a tree. But their association
>> with other's who have done these atrocious acts speaks of their agreement
>> with these acts. *Kevin, I am assuming that when you wrote to Jerry L: *
>>
>> *Some of the people I know who are or were in the Klan are church
>> members. *
>>
>> **
>> *This is a disgrace! I would not tolerate this in my congregation for
>> one minute! You are saying that if someone of your congregation was a KKK
>> member, you would not tolerate that! I also assume that the KKK memeber
>> has not personally killed some one, but because they belong to the KKK
>> they either repent and leave the organization or leave the Church? *
>>
>> *So, my question, will you tolerate the person in your church who is
>> PRO-ABORTION? They may not have personally murdered a baby, * "But their
>> association with other's who have done these atrocious acts speaks of
>> their agreement with these acts." Jesus said, "You have heard that it
>> was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will
>> be liable to judgment.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with
>> his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will
>> be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to
>> the hell of fire." (Mat 5:21-22 ESV)
>>
>> *Again, if I have went to far afield with the intent of your post--you
>> need not even reply. No problem on my part. *
>>
>> *jerry k*
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Kevin Sigafoos <mailto:ksigafoos@...>
>> *To:* Jerry <mailto:jlew@...> ;
>> pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2007 8:20 AM
>> *Subject:* [PastorsForum] Re: [offlist] Re: [PastorsForum] Secret
>> Society - see any missing??
>>
>> I am bringing public an offlist conversation between Jerry and
>> me. Jerry has given me permission to do so.
>> Background: I thought that Jerry's comment on PF that the KKK was
>> not a criminal organization was meant as a joke. He did not mean
>> it that way.
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/07, *Jerry* <jlew@...
>> <mailto:jlew@...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now, please note, ... I am not a Klan "defender." I
>> am not in the Klan, nor have I ever been in the Klan,
>> .... nor do I have any Klan sentiments at all. I am
>> totally against the KKK and I am against racial
>> bigotry and prejudice in every form, whether it be the
>> Klan or the NAACP. I believe every person and race
>> should be treated with decency and fairness.
>> However, ....
>> The Klan is not a "criminal" organization. They are
>> law-abiding citizens. Some of them may have unkind
>> thoughts and attitudes toward others (this is a
>> purposeful understatement) but thoughts are not at
>> this time "criminal."
>>
>> I suppose that technically you are right, Jerry. It is not a
>> crime to belong to the KKK. The fact that they are allowed to
>> publicly march and proclaim their views is testament to their
>> legality.
>> I object that to your statement that they are "law-abiding
>> citizens", however. The purpose of the KKK is to promote bigotry
>> and racism. They have endorsed, promoted
>> and perpetuated violence, murder, and intimedation to make their
>> views known. The whole point of their being a secret organization
>> is that their methods are illegal.
>> Now, I am not saying that every member of the KKK has burned a
>> cross on some one's lawn or has lynched a man in a tree. But
>> their association with other's who have done these atrocious acts
>> speaks of their agreement with these acts. It is analogous to someone
>> being a member of Al-Qaeda. Being a
>> Muslim does not necessarily make one a member of Al-Qaeda, just as
>> being a racist does not necessarily make one a member of the KKK. But
>> belonging to Al-Qaeda, a secret organization of Muslim's who
>> use violence to promote their beliefs, makes that person a
>> terrorist -- even if he has never personally carried out a
>> terrorist act. Similarly, belonging to the KKK, a secret
>> organization of racists who use violence to promote their beliefs,
>> makes that person implicit in the acts of those who use murder and
>> violence against people of other races.
>> It is not necessary to carry out a terrorist act in order to be
>> guilty of breaking the law. The recent arrest of some Muslim
>> men who planned to murder our service men and women at Fort Dix,
>> NJ (My old backyard! Scary!) points to this fact. Similarly,
>> being a member of the KKK means agreeing with their views and
>> approving of their methods and, therefore, guilty of murder and
>> terrorism.
>>
>> Some of the people I know who are or were in the Klan are
>> church members.
>>
>> This is a disgrace! I would not tolerate this in my congregation
>> for one minute!
>> Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You
>> shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
>> But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will
>> be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable
>> to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to
>> the hell of fire." (Mat 5:21-22 ESV)
>>
>> How can a church tolerate unrepentant murderers in it's midst?
>>
>> Remember the full name of the Klan state that they are
>> the "Christian Knights ..."
>> It is a disgrace to the name of Christ to place His name in any
>> association with an organization such as the KKK. There is
>> nothing Christian about them in the slightest.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Grace and peace,
>> Kevin Sigafoos
>> ---------------------
>> For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be
>> glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36)
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