pastor hughes - now i know that you are truly a "die-hard baptist preacher" - when you start quoting hymns to prove a point - wow, and bad hymns at that :) pax jok --- Pastor Hughes <embc@...> wrote: > ok > Johns mom would of told him what her cousin Mary had > delivered into the world > or do you think Mary didnt know??? > > Mary did you know....your baby boy ...would someday > ....Mary did ya know ....your baby boy.... > > John did ya know ...Your 2nd cousin....would be > .....the Saviour of the World.....John did ya know > .... > > well you get it....... > > back and havin fun > brian dont you dare cut this off...... > > too much inde pend ant bapt fun da mental horsin > around.... > > heheh > I just fell off my horse named Grace..... > > hahahahha > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DAVID POWELL > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > I guess where we are diametrically opposed is our > individual beliefs of where the title "Baptist" came > from. I do not happen to believe that we get our > name from John the Baptist but from the practice of > requiring believers to be baptized by immersion. > The fact of the matter is that John the Baptist did > not know the facts of the Gospel. Even Jesus' own > disciples/apostles didn't know who he was in > relation to the Gospel. They were expecting a > conquering Savior not a sacrificial LAMB! Jesus' > own family did not know or understand who He was, at > least not until after the resurrection! John the > Baptist only preached repentance and baptism for the > remission of sins for the "Kingdom" is on its way! > The Gospel is the "Good News" about the Death, > Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is > no evidence that John TB knew that Jesus must be > crucified and rise on the Third day! Was what he > preached valid? Of course but it was not the > Gospel. Was it the precursor to the Good News? > Absolutely! Am I a "John the Baptist" Baptist? No! > I am a "Baptism by immersion as a matter of > obedience to Jesus Christ" Baptist! > > God Bless > David the Baptist! > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FIdel Hughes > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > He didnt preach it...... > He just showed it by __________. > > a. dipping > b. sprinkling > c. pouring > d. baptizing > e. none of the above > > hope this helps..... > > hooo heeeeeee htis is gettin fun > dont cut it off Brian....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeese > > pastor h. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DAVID POWELL > To: pastorsforum > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > If you mean by the Gospel, the death, burial > and resurrection of Christ, then no, John did not > preach this! > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor Hughes > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:38 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > Do you put John in the OT then? > > John didnt preach the doctrines of the > Gospel? > > OUCH > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DAVID POWELL > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist > doctrine > > > If you will recall Fidel, Christ himself > said that the least in the kingdom is greater than > John the Baptist. John the Baptist neither knew of > nor experienced the Cross, nor the resurrection! > John the Baptist did not teach the doctrines of the > Gospel but of repentance for the remission of sins. > > Mark 1:1 > Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of > Jesus Christ, the Son of God; > 2 As it is written in the prophets, > Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which > shall prepare thy way before thee. > 3 The voice of one crying in the > wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his > paths straight. > 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and > preach the baptism of repentance for the remission > of sins. > 5 And there went out unto him all the > land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all > baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing > their sins. > 6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, > and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he > did eat locusts and wild honey; > 7 And preached, saying, There cometh one > mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes > I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. > 8 I indeed have baptized you with water: > but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. > > John's teachings were a far cry from what > you now call Baptist Doctrine. > > David > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor Hughes > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:13 > PM > Subject: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > David.... > > what kind of man was this? and what kind > of doctrine was he preaching? > > Mt 3:1 � In those days came John the > Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, > > heh ehh ho ho ho.....here we go.... > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://www.azbossnet/~embc/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DAVID POWELL > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:04 > PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] "THE > PASSION OF CHRIST" > > > This may come as a shock but not one > person has ever been saved following Baptist > Doctrine! Just as not one has ever been saved > following Catholic doctrine. the issue is this, > there is no such thing as Baptist doctrine. It is > either Biblical doctrine or it is not Doctrine at > all. I know many Catholics who have been born again > apart from their church teachings and eventually > most of them have come out of the Catholic church. > They found Jesus through reading the Scriptures. > They were saved by grace through faith and not by > partaking of the sacraments. Not all Baptists are > saved either! > God Bless > David Powell > > p.s. I invite Catholics to come to > our church. I have seen many get saved and also > some don't ever come back but at least I had the > chance to share the true Gospel with them! > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor Hughes > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 > 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] "THE > PASSION OF CHRIST" > > > this would be misguided Tommy.... > right? > Pastor Hughes > East Mesa Baptist Church > http://wwwazboss.net/~embc/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pastor Hughes > <embc@...> > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 > 6:19 PM > Subject: [PastorsForum] "THE PASSION > OF CHRIST" > > > > most of the catholics I know > > go to mass > > to "recieve Christ in the wafer" > > and they go to confession to clear > and clean up their sins.... > > > > if he is believing catholic > doctrine he is not saved.... > > I dont care how many biblical > movies he makes..... > > > > can God use a correct portrayal of > the death of Christ for His honor > > and glory??? > > > > sure.... > > > > can and will he use a lost person > to do it?? > > > > what think ye? > > Pastor Hughes > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tommy J. Brightwell > <tbrightwell@...> > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 > 5:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] MEL > GIBSON'S FILM "THE PASSION OF CHRIST" > > > > > > > While I'm not a Mel Gibson's > Christianity fan, I am a fan of one who > wants > > > everyone to know Jesus. As far > as the article is concerned, I too share > a > > > disapproval of Catholic docrine > and theology. I'm not though, going to > > throw > > > out the positive effect of the > film because of it. I do however have one > > > question about the comment: > During the filming, Gibson attended a > Catholic > > > mass every morning with the > misguided desire "to be squeaky clean." How > > can > > > a desire "to be squeaky clean" > be misguided? It doesn't seem misguided > to > > > have a desire. > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in > non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, > charity." > > > ===== john o'keefe http://www.ginkworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html