iggy, you wrote: "I choose only to be engulf in Jesus Christ crucified for me." RE: cool - you have now fiven yourself a lable :) you asked: "Where are you more flexible that me?" RE: i do not think i ever said that i was "more" flexible then you. i happen to think you are wrong in some of your points, but that does not make me "less flexible" then you - if you read my posts you will know where i stand - and that i have said over and over that people can have differing points of view on all points of faith - and all is good. i have what is called by some a "open source" theology - where differing points of view are welcomed and the tension is open - i may come from a postmodern vonversation view - but that has little to do with my teachers and more to do with the way God wired me :) i can not think like a fundy, or an evangelical, or a conserative - nothing they say clicks with me - i do not think linier, i think non-linier. systematic theology does not cut it for me because i find too many loop-holes and not enough answers - i am not "postmodern" by choice - i am by birth. so, the reason my message is consistanly postmodern is because that is how i think - it is my wiring - the way God made me :) i make no excuses for it, and i am very comfortable in the skin God gave me :) as for my teachers - i thank them for giving me the words to express myself - they did not create me, they simply allowed me the opportunity to express who i was created to be. if in that you find me "unflexabile" so be it - you are the first person ever who has said i was "unflexable" - in fact, most have accused me of being too flexible and allowing all different kinds of people into the church - go figure :) you wrote: "don't take anything I said as an attack agianst your faith.... We are discussing "views" not salvation." RE: i take nothing you say as an attack - but if you have to qulaify the statement with a "this is not an attack" well, maybe it is> :) kidding :) i am a big boy and very sure of my faith, my walk, my salvation and my point of view - very secure - so, there is very little you can say or do that will cause me to shift :) pax jok --- iggy <iggy@...> wrote: > You choose to not chose. > To quote the great theologian, Neil Pert, > "Even if you have not made a choice, you have just > made a choice." > > I see you as locked into the thoughts of your > teachers and have chosen a > view. > That is fine. I have my view also. > I choose to forsake much I was initially taught > (works salvation) > and relearn by letting the Holy Spirit guide me as I > study the Bible. > I interpet it in these criteria > > A. Historically > Then who what where when why. > B. Personal application > Again running it through whom what where when why. > C. Commentaries and teachers. > I filter their thought through what I have studied. > Yet I remain open to God in many different ways. > > Yes, I have a type of system of study, Yet, God is > bigger than my system. > I view God as a constant. the eternal Now. > God is. > I say Jesus is the only way. And yes I am locked > into that. > I say God is God and I am not...Again locked in. > I say Jesus is the only way to Heaven.. Yep! > I live because He lives...yep!!! > > These things are my core. My preference's do taint > but I try to pick and > choose the real important ones. > > I have said it before. If my doctrine stands in > between Jesus and someone > else. Then I have a problem. > > I think this is pretty flexiable. > > You chose to enter into discussion as "engulfed" in > pomo/emerg thought. You > accepted and labeled youself. I have fought and > spoken against any labels. > Even engulfing is a submergence into something. > I choose only to be engulf in Jesus Christ crucified > for me. > Where are you more flexible that me? > don't take anything I said as an attack agianst your > faith.... > We are discussing "views" not salvation. > > iggy > > -------Original Message------- > > From: pastorsforum@... > Date: 02/10/04 08:57:20 > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Divorced Pastors > > iggy, > > i am confused - how do you see my view as "being > locked in?" in fact, if you read my views you will > find that culture defines a great many things - and > is > not "locked in" to anything - ? i am confused how > my > view is locked in - with a reality of flexibility - > whaile yours is not - with it's "this is the only > way" > reality? > > and i am not "entrenched" i am "engulfed" - there is > a > difference :) > > pax > jok > ===== john o'keefe http://www.ginkworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html