yes there are other ways only problem is they arent in the Bible sincerely Pastor Hughes East Mesa Baptist Church http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven G. Rockhill <revrock@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > Oh I see - now we are into 'probabilities'. Is that an admission? Is > the door open that perhaps there are other ways? Quick I better get my > foot in. > > hehehehehe....this is fun > > Peace, > Steve > > Pastor Hughes wrote: > > > Steve > > you are argueing with Scripture > > there is more probability of immersion in the bible than > > any other method read the passages without defending your current mode of > > baptizing. > > > > the very thing baptism pics in Rom 6 is a burial > > > > you cant get buried unless you is covered up .....immersed in dirt.... > > any other mode is not the right pic.... > > > > whats wrong with this pic....??? > > > > hope this helps > > Pastor Hughes > > East Mesa Baptist Church > > http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven G. Rockhill <revrock@...> > > To: <pastorsforum@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > > > > > >>Not necessarily so my brother. > >>Going "down into the water" is basically the same idea (just opposite > >>direction) of saying Jesus went "up to Jerusalem" (Mt. 20:17). How high > >>up was Jerusalem? Did it reach up to the clouds or even heaven itself? > >>No! it was on a mountain - a city set on hill. So obviously they had to > >>"go up" to get there. Philip and the Eunuch were traveling on the road > >>- they were not at the same level as the water so they went "down" to > >>the water and stood in it. It could have been ankle deep - but they > >>stepped down to get into it - SCRIPTURE DOES NOT TELL US ABOUT THE DEPTH > >>OF THE WATER!!! In fact here we do not know if it was a stream, river, > >>lake, pond, or puddle. Notice also that in vs. 38 - the baptism was > >>already done and finished and then after they - 'were come up out of the > >>water' - i.e. after they walked out of the water onto dry ground - the > >>Spirit caught Philip away. > >> > >>Philip and the Eunuch certainly could have stepped into ankle or even > >>knee deep water and Philip could have sprinkled or poured water on the > >>Eunuchs head. Certainly a possibility. > >> > >>If my basement is flooded with ankle deep water - I can 'go down into > >>it' and then 'come up out of it' with out totally submerging myself. > >> > >>To say that this passage and others like it teach immersion is really > >>imposing something on the text that isn't necessarily there. You have > >>to come up with something better than that. Still looking for the "deep > >>water" - I know where you think it may be but I will wait for you to > >>find it and then I will talk about that passage. > >> > >>Peace, > >>Steve > >> > >> > >> > >>Pastor Hughes wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Ac 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: > > > > and > > > >>>the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? > >>> 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou > > > > mayest. > > > >>>And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. > >>> 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both > >>>into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. > >>> 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord > >>>caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his > > > > way > > > >>>rejoicing. > >>> > >>> > >>>for them to go down into it....and come up out of it.....it must of been > >>>fairly deep.... > >>> > >>>more than a sprinkle.... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>hehehehehe > >>>Pastor Hughes > >>>East Mesa Baptist Church > >>>http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: Steven G. Rockhill <revrock@...> > >>>To: <pastorsforum@...> > >>>Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:58 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have been trying really hard to sit this one out since I am not > >>>>baptist, but I just can't resist this: Where o where does the Bible say > >>>>Jesus was baptized in 'deep water'? Where does it say that anyone was > >>>>baptized in "deep water"? Is this an assumption or is it based on what > >>>>the Bible literally and clearly teaches? How deep is deep? It's > >>>>getting a little too deep for me........ > >>>> > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>>Jeff Hallmark wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Greetngs from the TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>John Baptist, saw Jesus and said "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh > >>> > >>>away the sin of the world." > >>> > >>> > >>>>>The same doctrine (teaching) I preach. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Jesus walked 100 kms (60 miles) to be baptized in deep water by John > >>> > >>>Baptist. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>God was WELL pleased, Jesus please God, John Baptist please God, and I > >>> > >>>want to please God. So after I was saved, I was baptized like Jesus. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>>CHS said "If I was not a Baptist, I would be ashamed" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Jeff Hallmark > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >>>++ > >>> > >>> > >>>>Pastor Steven G. 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