Everybodys right..... wow I love this forum.... Pastor Hughes East Mesa Baptist Church http://www.azboss.net/~embc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: john okeefe <jxpxus@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > derick - > > it's hard to lump anyone together - that is the > reality of a postmodern conversation - that people > come from different points of view and all can be just > as valid as the next :) > > pax > jok > > > --- "Derick R. Dickens" <Derick@...> > wrote: > > Let me say what I am not claiming, I do not believe > > the anabaptists are > > modern Baptists. That is not what I am saying, but > > I did want to focus that > > it is difficult to group the anabaptists in one > > lump. As stated, you had > > some who were spiritists to those who were good > > close friends of Calvin and > > agreed mostly with Calvin except on Baptism. > > > > My point is that it is hard to lump them together. > > I used Dr. Lee because > > some see him as one who usually lumps them together. > > > > Just a thought, > > > > Derick > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: pastorsforum@... > > Date: 2/10/2004 11:56:55 AM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > > derick, > > > > he is but one man, with one oppinion - the majority > > of > > other historical experts disagree with him on that, > > and other, levels :) > > > > baptists can claim any history they desire - yet, > > why > > would anyone want to discount such a wonderful and > > blessed traditional root? > > > > pax > > jok > > > > > > --- "Derick R. Dickens" > > <Derick@...> > > wrote: > > > I want to input this from a Baptist who does not > > > necessarily claim > > > AnaBaptist tradition. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee, a > > > Presbyterian author, has > > > done extensive research on the AnaBaptists. I > > > disagree with him but had the > > > opportunity to discuss his findings. I was a > > little > > > worried that he lumped > > > them in together in some of his papers and he > > > clarified to me that he agrees > > > that AnaBaptists was a name given to a group that > > > had a variety of beliefs > > > and that some were even strongly supportive in > > > Geneva of Calvin. In other > > > research I have done, some have catagorized them > > in > > > five major categories. > > > So, we should not lump them all together as though > > > they are one group but > > > that the "anabaptist" name is used for a variety > > of > > > different groups in > > > varying degrees. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee is not > > > really a strong supporter of > > > Baptists now nor the Anabaptists then, but I > > believe > > > he is correct in saying > > > that it is very difficult to lump them together. > > > > > > Derick > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: pastorsforum@... > > > Date: 2/10/2004 9:12:49 AM > > > To: pastorsforum@... > > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] baptist doctrine > > > > > > funny you bring up the "ana-baptists" - what a > > great > > > and wonderful tradition - they believe in communal > > > living, were 100% pacifists, opposed all forms of > > > capital punshment, oaths to the court, holding of > > > public office and the payment of taxes and > > interest > > > - > > > > > > you might have heard of one of the great leaders > > of > > > the ana-baptist tradition - "menno simons" - you > > > know, > > > his followers became "mennonites" :) i find it > > > interesting that you would claim such a tradition, > > > and > > > yet oppose the teachings :) > > > > > > pax > > > jok > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Stemerrod@... wrote: > > > > His name was baptist because he was sent to > > bapize > > > > the baptism of repentence. > > > > Ana-Baptist were given that name because they > > > > opposed infant baptism and > > > > baptismal regeneration of the Catholic church. > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > john o'keefe > > > http://www.ginkworld.net > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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