>>>> The Geneva Bible is far superior to the modern versions but it is not >>>> superior to the sovereign King James Bible. > Neither do I claim that the KJV is "sovereign." Of course not. Hey, Derrick, which one is sovereign? <giggle> OK I'm being silly. Blessings, Randy > Jerry > "Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, > bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and > they were all healed" (Acts 5:16). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Hallmark > To: doctrinaldebate ; openpastorsforum ; pastorsforum@... > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:20 PM > Subject: [PastorsForum] Geneva Study Bible > > > How do you answer those that say the Geneva Study Bible was the > superior bible of the time? > > WHO SLEW GOLIATH? > > It is a far cry better than the modern versions, but I have > found a few significant problems with the Geneva Bible. A main > one is that the Geneva Bible has Elhanah killing Goliath, when > most of today's Sunday school children know that it was David: > > 2 Sam 21:19 And there was yet another battel in Gob with the Philistims, > where Elhanah the sonne of Iaare-oregim, a Bethlehemite slewe Goliath > the Gittite: the staffe of whose speare was like a weauers beame. > --Geneva Bible > > Even Today's NIV corrects the NIV on this. > > In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of > Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, > who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. --2 Sam. 21:19 > Today's NIV > > The King James got it right all along: > > 2 Sam 21:19 (KJB) And there was again a battle in Gob with the > Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew > the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a > weaver's beam. --KJV > > SUPREME or SUPERIOR? > > An often touted instance where the Geneva is claimed to be > better then the KJV is 1 Pet 2:13-14. In actuality this is a > difference that shows how the KJV is better than the Geneva. > > KJV: 1 Pet 2:13, 14 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the > Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, > as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and > for the praise of them that do well. > > Geneva: 1 Pet 2:13, 14 Submit yourselves unto all manner of ordinance of > man for the Lord's sake, whether it be unto the King, as unto the > superior, 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent of him, for > the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of them that do well. > > It's claimed that "supreme" is too strong of a word and that > "superior" is preferred. The claim continues that King James > supported the divine right of kings and pressured the > translators to make the KJV stronger in that regard. > > King James didn't translate one word of the KJV. He authorized > it, which is why his name is connected with it. The bishops > approached him with the need for a new English version of the > scriptures. He approved their request. > > The fact is, the KJV is better than the Geneva in this passage. > Gov't leaders are "supreme" due to their position, but they are > not necessarily "superior". Bill Clinton was supreme in his > office as president, but he wasn't superior to a skid row bum. > > LOWER THAN GOD? > > Psalm 8:4-5 (Geneva) - What is man, say I, that thou art mindful of him? > and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a > little lower than God, and crowned him with glory and worship. > > The Geneva Bible says that man was made a little lower than GOD! > This approaches blasphemy! It is the same major blooper that the > NASB, NRSV, NLT, and the Mormons made. > > The King James gets it exactly correct - > > Psalm 8: 4-5 (KJB) For thou hast made him a little lower than the > angels... > > Man is so much lower than God it can hardly be described with > comparative terms, much less as only a little lower. The Geneva > Bible is adhered to largely by Calvinists who usually exalt the > sovereignty of God, but they sure missed it here. > > GOD'S CHILDREN? > > In Deut. 32:5 the Geneva contradicts itself by saying the > children of Israel were NOT God's children (like some of the > modern versions). However, the very next verse says God was > their Father. > > The KJB has the correct reading in both verses: > > Deut 32:5-6 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot > of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. Do ye thus > requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that > hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee? > > MESSIAH CUT OFF? > > Dan 9:26 (Geneva) Messiah will be cut off AND HAVE NOTHING." > > Have nothing? He gets His bride because He is cut off > temporarily. Then He will return again. We can get saved > because He got cut off. Maybe that's nothing to you, but it's > quite important to me! The Geneva commits another doctrinal > error. > > Dan 9:26 (KJB) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut > off, but not for himself: ... > > As always, the King James Bible is correct. > > The NOTES > > The other claim is that King James wanted to remove the notes > from the Geneva Bible because he disagreed with some of them. > The notes, whether from the Geneva or the KJV, should not be > considered authoritative like the Bible text itself. There > certainly are some questionable notes in the Geneva Bible. > > One example is found in Luke in the notes to Luke 22:36: Then > said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take > it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him > sell his garment, and buy one. > > "(m) He says all this using an allegory, as if he said, "O my friends > and fellow soldiers, you have lived until now in relative peace: but now > there is at hand a most severe battle to be fought, and you must > therefore lay all other things aside and think about dressing yourselves > in armour." And what this armour is, is shown by his own example, when > he prayed afterward in the garden and reproved Peter for striking with > the sword." > > Incidentally, this note also contradicts the common rhetoric > that the Geneva Bible promotes resistance to ungodly laws of men > better than the KJV. An allegorical interpretation of this verse > removes one of our best biblical defenses for the Second > Amendment of the Bill or Rights, and our right to defend > ourselves against godless tyranny. Such an interpretation also > would have helped keep Calvin safe from those who would have > rebelled against his tyranny. It should be noted that Peter was > not carrying an allegorical sword in the garden, and Jesus never > reproved him for carrying it, only for trying to hamper what God > had ordained to be done. We also need to remember that Jesus > told his disciples that the two swords that they had were > enough. Are these supposed to be two allegorical swords? > > The Geneva Bible is far superior to the modern versions but it > is not superior to the sovereign King James Bible. > > Material stolen from Will Kinney, John Hinton, Chip Pardo, and probably > others. > > > -- > Bro. Jeff Hallmark > www.sprucelandbaptist.com > http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1345 - Release Date: > 3/26/2008 6:50 PM > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > >