General: Romans 1:19-21 -- You can tell by looking at creation that someone made it and that particular someone is powerful. special: God enters time and space and directly tells man what He wants/thinks/expects. We talked about this in pre-confirmation class a couple of weeks ago. Blessings, Randy > Derick, > > Would you please define "general revelation" and "special revelation." > > I believe I know what you mean by the terms but there are probably some on > the list that do not. > > Jerry > "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach > good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the > prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, > to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor"" (Luke 4:18-19). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Derick Dickens > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for > all? > > > Gary, > > I do not believe General Revelation can save. I just asked a question. > > Derick > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Gary Webb <mgwebb@...> wrote: > > Derick, > > Doesn't general revelation just show us that God exists and something > of His eternal nature? It doesn't include the gospel, does it? From > Romans 1, we see the true message of general revelation being > rejected. It was sufficient to bring the wrath of God, but it isn't > shown to offer the grace of God. That's why Paul referred to the > gospel as the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. > > GARY WEBB > > > > > From: Derick Dickens > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:05 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for > all? > > > Randy, > > Good post, and this is what I thought some would respond with for it > takes into account the difference between Special and General > Revelation. A couple of points: > > 1. Could someone be saved by General Revelation? > 2. My wife had served with New Tribes Missions before we were > married. Probably the best Mission organization to tribes out there. > I actually think they have a great focus in trying to focus on one > thing real well. > > > Derick > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:59 AM, <shieldwolf@...> wrote: > > I think there is evidence that all have some base knowledge that God > Exists and he is powerful from Romans 1. Romans 1 also says they > "hold > and suppress" the truth in their very nature even though it is > broken. > > Then, I think there is the example of Naaman in the OT. He said, > "Can I > take some dirt from here back so I can worship God" and the prophet > said, > "OK." Then he said, "and I might have to bow down to the king as if > he > were a god" and the prophet said "OK." He didn't correct all of > Naaman's > incorrect theology. It's almost as if he expected that Naaman might > grow > out of it because he was going home to the same little Hebrew girl > that > pointed him in the right direction in the first place. Again, it > seems he > was being judged on what he knew not upon what he did not know. > > Also you have Jesus' words in Mt 11 that talk about if Sodom would > have > seen these miracles, they would have repented -- different folk get > different measures of special revelation. What do they do with > it---receive or reject? Most reject. > > I'm sure we have all heard the stories of Bruce Porterfield and New > Tribes > Mission where folks have tried to "buy a missionary" because they > knew > they had the truth and had been waiting to hear it for decades. > > Again, we don't have to know all the particulars of how this works. > We > know this: All are without excuse. God loves the World (not just > the > elect) and his grace falls on the just and the unjust. > > Now, having said that, scripture indicates: THE MORE SPECIAL > REVELATION, > THE BETTER. Hence, carrying the Word to those in unbelief so that > it's > power can be shown to the fullest. People are only saved "through > Jesus > Christ." We have some definite ways in scripture whereby God says > there > is a definite cause-effect salvation relationship. Remember that > God is > not necessarily limited to those, but we should focus on what we > know to > be true rather than hope too highly upon inferences. I also think > we need > to be honest and say God is bigger than our human minds and I trust > Him > when he says he is just even if I don't understand it all---perhaps > remembering the last few chapters in Job. > > OK, this post is too long. Just a few incomplete probably > incoherent > ramblings. Hopefully pointing toward help. > > Blessings, > Randy > > Also, do > > > > I saw someone say this is a "dead horse.'" Yet, I do not think > so. At > > Liberty and many other schools, they do not believe everyone is > given the > > opportunity but that there will be some who pass into eternity > without > > ever > > hearing the Gospel and then die in their sins. Yet, I am still > curious > > how > > people would answer the Mormons when they asked, "Is it unfair > that God > > does > > not give the opportunity to all"? > > > > Derick > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > -- > Derick R. 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