>>>>> Nice ring to that. <giggle> (Jerry, the Calvinist)


My gooodnessss!!!!



What is this forum coming to ?????



Jerry

"The Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they . were 
astonished . because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of 
the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God" 
(Acts 10:44-46).



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for all?


> Just because there are such does not mean that God ordained or forced them
> so to be.  Why must our finite minds be able to comprehend the mind of
> God?  If you think it should so be able to do so, then I shall label you a
> "Calvinist" for that was his position. ;)
>
> Jerry, the Calvinist.
>
> Nice ring to that. <giggle>
>
> Randy
>
>
>> How can there be the "elect" without there also being the reprobate?
>>
>> Jerry
>> "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach
>> good
>> news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners 
>> and
>> recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim 
>> the
>> year of the Lord's favor"" (Luke 4:18-19).
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <shieldwolf@...>
>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for 
>> all?
>>
>>
>>> Actually, not all Calvinists believe in double predestination.  Some
>>> take
>>> the Biblical, Lutheran/Augustinian position. ;)
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I do not know right off how I would differentiate between fair and
>>>> just,
>>>> but I do take issue with Calvinism and the Scripture passages that
>>>> speak
>>>> of God not being a "respecter" of persons.  In my understanding,
>>>> Calvinism
>>>> does maintain that God is partial.
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>> "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach
>>>> good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the
>>>> prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the
>>>> oppressed,
>>>> to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor"" (Luke 4:18-19).
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Gary Webb
>>>>   To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>   Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:36 AM
>>>>   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for
>>>> all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Do you see a difference between being fair and being just?  I know
>>>> that
>>>> Scripture maintains that God is always just and/or righteous, but I
>>>> don't know that Scripture includes the idea of Him being fair.  It
>>>> seems
>>>> to me that "fair" is a broader term than justice and righteousness.  He
>>>> is impartial (no respecter of persons), but He obviously doesn't love
>>>> all men equally (He loved Jacob more than Esau).   He doesn't treat
>>>> everyone the same or give everyone equal circumstances, but He does
>>>> make
>>>> both the rich and the poor.
>>>>
>>>>   Maybe you are right, but I think the term "fair" carries too much
>>>> baggage.  It makes me think of an umpire who treats all players
>>>> equally.
>>>>  Scripture and life in general seem to include too many exceptions to
>>>> that idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   GARY WEBB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   From: Dpowellaz2@...
>>>>   Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:08 PM
>>>>   To: pastorsforum@...
>>>>   Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Does God have to offer an opportunity for
>>>> all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   In a message dated 4/19/2008 1:03:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>>>> mgwebb@... writes:
>>>>     Doc,
>>>>
>>>>     Isn't that what almost everyone is saying, regardless of their
>>>> version
>>>> of theology?  Scripture says so little on the subject of the salvation
>>>> of infants that we all go by just a couple of passages that bring
>>>> encouragement to grieving families.
>>>>
>>>>     I know that the God of all the earth will do right.  I'm really not
>>>> even all that interested in discussions of whether or not God is fair
>>>> to do or not do something.  He does what is right, what is just.  That
>>>> may not seem fair at times.  Many unbelievers object to the gospel by
>>>> saying, "It isn't fair to allow a murderer to go free, but then to
>>>> send a very moral person who has told a few white lies to hell."  It
>>>> offends them.  The gospel has always been offensive because it is the
>>>> righteousness of God rather than the self-righteousness of men.   The
>>>> gospel of grace means that God has established a way to judge me in
>>>> righteousness without destroying me in wrath.  He has made a way of
>>>> mercy by satisfying the demands of the law through the death of His
>>>> Son.  He has provided that I can receive the gift of His righteousness
>>>> through faith in Jesus Christ.  That faith is not conveyed through the
>>>> wonders of creation, the moral nature (conscience) of man, or through
>>>> religious reasoning.  Faith is given through the effectual hearing of
>>>> God's Word.  It is a work of His Spirit, bringing me to life.
>>>>
>>>>     If everyone who goes to heaven is elect, and all babies go to
>>>> heaven,
>>>> then logically all babies are elect.
>>>>
>>>>     GARY WEBB
>>>>   Gary, I would agree with you but when the subject was discussed, I
>>>> believe it was Kevin but it might have also been Derick who said they
>>>> would not tell the grieving parents of a dead baby that they would go
>>>> to
>>>> heaven but instead would say IF they were elect they would and IF they
>>>> were not they would not!
>>>>
>>>>   I also am not interested in whether or not God is fair.  I believe
>>>> God
>>>> is always fair that is one of the reasons I reject calvinism with every
>>>> ounce of my being!
>>>>   Doc
>>>>
>>>>   Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!
>>>>   (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!)
>>>>   Pastor Dr. David Powell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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