Even the Great Baptist theologian GR Beasley-Murray seemed to think baptism was more than just a pretty picture as he called it a "divine-human event." http://www.the-highway.com/articleJan99.html :) Blessings, Randy > Gentlemen, > > Following a link, I found this in an article this morning. What are your > comments? > > In particular, > > 1) is Baptism a "means of grace"? > > 2) Is Baptism "God's action and not ours"? > > 3) Does God give the gifts of forgiveness and the Holy Spirit through > Baptism? > > Baptism is more than a confession of faith. When Rick Warren speaks of > Baptism, he has some creative ways of saying what Baptists usually say > about it, namely, that it is an outward sign of an inward reality. In > other words, Warren believes that Baptism is only a public declaration of > faith on the part of someone who has already become a believer (and for > this reason, infant Baptism is excluded). While Baptism does make a public > statement to others that the one being baptized is entering into the > Christian community, it is much more than this. As already noted, Baptism > is a means of grace. That is to say that Baptism is God's action and not > ours. The Bible clearly states that in Baptism God gives us the gifts of > forgiveness and the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). > > This is not intended to attack any individual or denomination, simply to > prompt discussion of a particular doctrinal position. > > Jerry > "The Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they . were > astonished . because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of > the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God" > (Acts 10:44-46). > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > >