No problem. Lutherans believe that anyone can taste of God's Grace---both the elect, and those not elect. The elect persevere, the non-elect do not. (Augustinian, not Calvinist). Our view tends to offend both the Calvinist (we believe a person can taste God's Grace and then become apostate---A total lapsing from principles or faith) and the Arminians (we believe that once a person *truly* becomes apostate, there is no coming back from that there is no saved/lost/saved/lost/saved). We believe Apostasy is not the typical "Oh, no I sinned greatly" or "I'm ticked at God" or even "backsliding" but is rather an actual, total rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior. Blessings, Randy > Randy, > > Thanks for opening yourself up to wolves :-) > > I have a couple of questions that came out of what you posted from the > LCMS.org website. > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:37 PM, <shieldwolf@...> wrote: > >> >> >> Although we do not claim to understand how this happens or how it is >> possible, we believe (because of what the Bible says about baptism) that >> when an infant is baptized God creates faith in the heart of that >> infant. >> This faith cannot yet, of course, be expressed or articulated, yet it is >> real and present all the same (see e.g., 1 Peter 2:21; Acts 2:38-39; >> Titus >> 3:5-6; Matt. 18:6; Luke 1:15; 2 Tim. 3:15; Gal. 3:26-27; Rom. 6:4; Col. >> 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 12:13). This faith needs to be fed and nurtured by God's >> Word (Matt. 28:18-20), or it will die. > > > OK, if baptism is God's work, as you say (and I'm inclined to agree with > you), and God creates faith in the infant -- how can this faith die? > > Being Reformed, I too believe faith is a gift of God and thus I believe it > can never die. That is the basis of my hope in the preservation of the > saints. It the faith that God gives the infant at baptism can die, then > what is the basis of your hope? > > > > -- > > Grace and peace, > Kevin Sigafoos > --------------------- > For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory > forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >