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From: Shieldwolf <shieldwolf@...>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:49:05 -0400
Other than the KJV only  and what I would consider to be a legalistic 
bent on letters J&K concerning sanctification, it seems like a basic 
Baptist doctrinal statement---it could easily fit a GARB Church.  So, 
somehow, I bet that is not what Doc was talking about...but I've been 
offline for a couple of days.

Blessings,
Randy

Jeff Hallmark wrote:
>
> I have nothing to hide, here is our statement of faith.
>
> Everyday is a great day in the Lord.
>  
>
>
>   The ABC's of Our Statement of Faith
>
> We Believe:
>
> A. That the Bible is the Word of God, given by direct inspiration; and 
> is infallible and inerrant. We believe specifically that the 
> Authorized Version (KJV) is a correct translation of the Received Text 
> (Textus Receptus) which has been divinely preserved from the original 
> autographs given to the prophets and apostles by plenary inspiration 
> of the Holy Spirit. This church does not accept or use any other 
> translation in the English tongue (/2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21/).
>
> B. That there is one God, eternally existent in three Persons: Father, 
> Son, and Holy Spirit (/Psalm 2:2,7; Psalm 139:1-16; Isaiah 63:10; John 
> 4:24; 15:26; 16:7; James 1:17/).
>
> C. That the Lord Jesus Christ is the uniquely begotten Son of God, and 
> fully man; that He was virgin-born, lived a sinless life, was 
> crucified, died and was buried; that He was resurrected, ascended to 
> the Father bodily and will return for His saints before He comes to 
> judge the world and rule the world, and that Christ died for the sins 
> of the world, and that His blood on Calvary has paid the full price 
> for mankind's redemption and has eternal power to cleanse from all sin 
> and save from Hell (/Isaiah 7:l4; Matthew 24:29-3l; Luke 1:3l-35; John 
> l:l,2; Romans 9:l5; 1 Corinthians l5:l-4; 2 Corinthians 5:l4,l5; 
> Philippians 2:6-8; Revelation 3:l0/).
>
> D. That the Holy Spirit is a Person who convicts the world of sin, of 
> righteousness, and of judgement; and that He is the supernatural Agent 
> in regeneration, baptizing all believers at salvation, indwelling 
> them, and sealing them unto the day of redemption (/John l6:l3; 
> Ephesians 5:l8; 1 John 2:20,27/).
>
> E. That all men are by nature sinful and lost and that for eternal 
> salvation, Holy Spirit regeneration is absolutely essential (/John 
> 3:5; Romans 3:24; 5:l; 6:l0; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 1 John 2:2/).
>
> F. That men are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed 
> blood of Jesus Christ (/Acts l6:3l; Romans 5:l; 2 Corinthians 
> l5:l8-2l; Titus 3:5; 1 John 2:2/).
>
> G. That Satan is a person and that the lake of Fire is a place of 
> eternal conscious punishment for all unsaved (/Isaiah l4:l2-l4; 
> Ezekiel 28:l4; Revelation. 20:7, ll-l5/).
>
> H. That a New Testament church is a local organized body of baptized 
> believers practicing Scriptural ordinances and being actively engaged 
> in fulfilling the Great Commission (/Matthew 28:19,20; 1 Corinthians 
> 5:4; Ephesians 4:ll-l6; 5:23,24; Hebrews l0:25/).
>
> I. That all the redeemed, that is those who are "born-again", are kept 
> by God's power, and are secure in Christ for eternity (/John 6:37-40; 
> l0:27-30; //Romans 8:l,38,39; 1 Corinthians l:4-8; 1 Peter l:5/).
>
> J. That it is the privilege of believers to rejoice in the assurance 
> of their salvation through the testimony of God's Word, which, 
> however, clearly forbids the use of Christian liberty as an occasion 
> to the flesh (/Romans l3:l3,l4; Galatians 5:l3; Titus 2:ll-l5/).
>
> K. That sanctification is God's will for all believers and that it 
> involves the believer's separation from the world, his cleansing in 
> life, and complete dedication to Christ in service; but not the 
> eradication of the Adamic nature. That all the saved should live in 
> such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Saviour and Lord; 
> and, that separation from all religious apostasy, worldly practices 
> and associations is commanded by God, including all forms of 
> immorality and homosexuality (/Romans l2:l,2; l4:l3; 2 Corinthians 
> 5:l9,20; 2 Timothy 3:l-5: 1 John 2:l5-l7; 2 John 9-ll/).
>
> L. That water baptism by immersion following conversion is a symbolic 
> ordinance setting forth the death, burial and resurrection of Christ; 
> and the believer's union with Him in death and resurrection. That 
> baptism is a Scriptural ordinance of the church requiring immersion of 
> believers only, to be administered by the New Testament local church 
> (/Matthew 28:l9,20; Acts 2:38; l0:47; l6:33/).
>
> M. That the Lord's Supper is a Scriptural ordinance of the local 
> church to be partaken of by the local church membership (/1 
> Corinthians ll:23-34/).
>
> N. That there is a physical resurrection of both the saved and the 
> lost; the saved unto the resurrection of life and the lost unto the 
> resurrection of damnation (/1 Corinthians l5:5l-57; 2 Corinthians 5:8; 
> 1 Thessalonians 4:l4-l7; Revelation. 20:ll-l5/).
>
> O. That there will be a pre-millennial, pre-tribulation rapture of the 
> saints (/1 Thessalonians 4:l4-l7; Titus 2:l3; Revelation. 3:l0/).
>
> P. That the modern Charismatic Movement (i.e. tongues, prophecies, 
> healers, signs and wonders, etc.) is not Biblical and we do not accept 
> it as being from God.
>
> Q. That the ecumenical drive to unite all religions into one super 
> church is totally unscriptural.
>
>  
>
> The above Statement of Faith is the same as our Sending Church  - 
> Greater Vancouver Baptist Church.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, <Dpowellaz2@... 
> <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>> wrote:
>
>     Remember that when it comes to some of your conclusions others on
>     this forum view you as the wrong one!  One does not have to be
>     all-inclusive to conclude that some of your doctrinal conclusions
>     are indeed in error.  The problem is not with you but some of your
>     beliefs.  If by your comments "some do not have the Word of God
>     today" you mean some use another translation of God's Word, then
>     you have just proven my point!!
>     Be Bless and have a wonderful day in the Lord tomorrow!
>     Doc
>      
>     In a message dated 7/5/2008 2:26:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard
>     Time, bctexan@... <mailto:bctexan@...> writes:
>
>         David P, it is not my concern is one agrees with my
>         conclusions or not. Doctrinal error must be exposed, if one is
>         all-inclusive in doctrine. They will have a problem with those
>         of us who are not all-inclusive in doctrine. Jesus, Peter and
>         Paul all exposed error inline with the Word of God. But then
>         some do not have the Word of God today, yet many of us have
>         God's Word today.
>
>         Enjoy the heat.
>
>
>
>         On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:13 PM, <Dpowellaz2@...
>         <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>> wrote:
>
>             I understand but you must also know that there are many
>             who do not share your conclusions.  So you see, in many of
>             these videos you share it is indeed  a disagreement. 
>             Sometimes, I am not necessarily referring to these
>             particular ones, what you feel is error is not what
>             others, equally dedicated to God's Word as yourself,
>             classify as error.  There is a fine line between pointing
>             out error (IYO) and in putting down other servants of God!
>             Doc
>              
>              
>             */Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua!/*
>             (*Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!*)
>             Pastor Dr. David Powell
>              
>             In a message dated 7/5/2008 12:24:51 P.M. US Mountain
>             Standard Time, bctexan@...
>             <mailto:bctexan@...> writes:
>
>                 David P, it is not that we "just disagree with" but
>                 error that needs to be exposed.
>
>
>
>                 On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:52 AM, <Dpowellaz2@...
>                 <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>> wrote:
>
>                     I just think that our time can better be spent
>                     leading people to Christ instead away from
>                     teachers we don't agree with.  If our voices were
>                     going to make a difference it would have long ago!
>                     Doc
>                      
>                     In a message dated 7/5/2008 9:39:46 A.M. US
>                     Mountain Standard Time, dwarner@...
>                     <mailto:dwarner@...> writes:
>
>                         *Are none of these people still on the public
>                         airwaves teaching and preaching these same
>                         doctrines which call for gospel preachers to
>                         warn this present generation?  I've heard of
>                         most of these people but do not know if any
>                         are actively soliciting new followers today.*
>
>                         ** 
>
>                         *DW*
>
>                         ** 
>
>                         ** 
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>                         *From:* Dpowellaz2@...
>                         <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>
>                         [mailto:Dpowellaz2@...
>                         <mailto:Dpowellaz2@...>]
>                         *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:32 PM
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>                         *Subject:* Re: [PastorsForum] Teaching of
>                         False Teachers
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>                          
>
>                         I must agree with Randy at this point.  It
>                         sxeems rather nonsense to drudge up old issues
>                         unless it is just for the sole purpose of
>                         putting doesn people that have already been
>                         dealt with.  I am not a fan of any of those
>                         mentioned but why don't we stick with
>                         contemporary issues rather than some that are
>                         so far back as to not really be issues at all,
>                         at least not for those today!
>
>                         Doc
>
>                          
>
>                         In a message dated 7/5/2008 9:04:42 A.M. US
>                         Mountain Standard Time, shieldwolf@...
>                         <mailto:shieldwolf@...> writes:
>
>                             A Jeff, while most of this news isn't as
>                             old as "Hitler invades Poland" it
>                             is at least 15 years old because 15 years
>                             ago I was selling the following
>                             books that dealt with this:
>                             A different Gospel,
>                             http://www.amazon.com/Different-Gospel-Biblical-Historical-Insights/dp/1565631323/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215273625&sr=8-1
>                             <http://www.amazon.com/Different-Gospel-Biblical-Historical-Insights/dp/1565631323/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215273625&sr=8-1>
>                             and Micheal Horton's the Agony of Deceit
>                             http://www.amazon.com/Agony-Deceit-Preachers-Really-Teaching/dp/0802487785/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215273675&sr=1-11
>                             <http://www.amazon.com/Agony-Deceit-Preachers-Really-Teaching/dp/0802487785/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215273675&sr=1-11>
>                             and Hank Hannegraff had one, too.
>
>                             It looks like these books are almost 20
>                             years old.  Granted, the data is
>                             still there and the folk you mentioned
>                             still seem to be proclaiming their
>                             heterodox to heretical views, but still. 
>                             Those fish have been in the sun
>                             for some time now.
>
>                             Blessings!
>                             Randy
>
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>                             > In Their Own Words — Word Faith
>                             > Teachers<http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=980>from
>                             > sliceoflaodicea.com
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>                             > Ingrid
>                             > Schlueter
>                             >
>                             > Here John Avanzini
>                             > declares<http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/duplacate.mp3>that
>                             God
>                             > told him that morning that His eternal
>                             purpose is duplicating
>                             > Himself in the earth. Avanzini is one of
>                             the speakers at the Word Faith
>                             > conference where Ray Comfort will be
>                             speaking. Ray has no choice but to
>                             > expose this blasphemy to the people
>                             attending.
>                             >
>                             > Here's Kenneth Copeland claiming that God
>                             the Father is from another
>                             > planet<http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/motherplanet.mp3>
>                             > .
>                             >
>                             > Here Paul Crouch and Kenneth
>                             > Copeland<http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/jesusnotgod.mp3>question
>                             > that Jesus was God.
>                             >
>                             > Here Benny Hinn teaches
>                             > <http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/bennywegod.mp3>that
>                             God made us
>                             > little gods.
>                             >
>                             > Here Copeland lays the foundation of Word of
>                             > Faith<http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/copland-god-man.mp3>teachings–Adam
>                             > was God.
>                             >
>                             > Those who are further interested in
>                             learning about the roots of the Word
>                             > of
>                             > Faith teachings should read this excellent
>                             > article<http://www.letusreason.org/WF48.htm>on
>                             how the Word of Faith
>                             > teachings came out of the mind sciences.
>                             >
>                             > ShareThis<http://sharethis.com/item?&wp=2.5.1&publisher=832b0e77-8253-476c-8a10-bc287bfe33c0&title=In+Their+Own+Words+%26%238212%3B+Word+Faith+Teachers&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sliceoflaodicea.com%2F%3Fp%3D980
>                             <http://sharethis.com/item?&wp=2.5.1&publisher=832b0e77-8253-476c-8a10-bc287bfe33c0&title=In+Their+Own+Words+%26%238212%3B+Word+Faith+Teachers&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sliceoflaodicea.com%2F%3Fp%3D980>>
>                             > Popout
>                             > Original audio source
>                             <http://www.biblefacts.org/cult/mp3/duplacate.mp3>
>                             >
>                             >
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