>>>>>My experience..... I'm as conservative as anybody on here. And, hold >>>>>strictly to the early church's views, and biblical standards. There are no Biblical standards of dress given except modesty. The idea that one must wear his "Sunday best" to church is not supported by the Scriptures. Nor is there any Biblical instruction for a preacher to wear certain types or styles of clothing. Jerry "And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour" (Matt 8:13). ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Why should the devil have all the good music? Again, sorry for misunderstanding you Bill. I based my understand on what you said and sometimes these quotes below are your entire post**: Bill said: Bottom line I don't know whats appropriate for church other than a person doing and wearing what they have. It is important they are there!! **HMMMMMMMM. Did Jesus or the Apostles wear socks? Did they question the dress of those who came? Nope, I dont think so. **DW, I have no idea where the line can be drawn. It's the Holy Spirit's place to prod and convict not mine. We've had many people start out coming in what would be considered less than appropriate dress, but sure enough they change out of their Thongs:) I have to wonder what God would think if a person came and was not accepted do to their clothes. The conclusion I come to is that He doesn't care as long as a person hears the Word. A transformation of the thinking will happen Romans 12:2. Might want to check Rom. 12:16, too.. And lets not forget how we treat the least of these is how we treat Him. **I never said I wouldn't preach or counsel or discuss with people their dress or behavior. As a counselor I surely do that. The true change in people is their choices thru the prodding and convicting of the Holy Spirit. This position is straight out of the Bible. My experience..... I'm as conservative as anybody on here. And, hold strictly to the early church's views, and biblical standards. -----Original Message----- From: David Warner [mailto:dwarner@...] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:16 PM To: pastorsforum@... Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Why should the devil have all the good music? Sorry, I misunderstood your position. DW -----Original Message----- From: Bill burns [mailto:burnswh@...] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:14 PM To: pastorsforum@... Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Why should the devil have all the good music? I never said I wouldn't preach or counsel or discuss with people their dress or behavior. As a counselor I surely do that. The true change in people is their choices thru the prodding and convicting of the Holy Spirit. This position is straight out of the Bible. Bill Burns Old Town Soup Kitchen 600 Gratiot St. Saginaw, Michigan 48602 989.791.4549 or cell 989.220.6228 --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Dpowellaz2@... <Dpowellaz2@...> wrote: > From: Dpowellaz2@... <Dpowellaz2@...> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Why should the devil have all the good music? > To: pastorsforum@... > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 10:27 AM > In a message dated 7/12/2008 7:17:25 A.M. US Mountain > Standard Time, > dwarner@... writes: > > David P, perhaps you ought to go back and read some of > Bill's responses. He > said the wouldn't say anything, do anything, change > anything, preach any > standard that demanded changed behavior or dress, and I > suggest that is the > same as "no standards" in those areas. That, my > friend, is not having ' > biblical stands". But yes, I do feel these are not > biblical standards. > The only time I "parrot back" your comments is when I > hope you will see how > lacking they are in both substance and Scripture. But > alas, I suppose I > need to be more direct. > DW > > > > You have not substantiated you accusations toward Bill! I > have found that > Bill will not tolerate indecent apparel but lacking that he > would not confront > new people as they come. It seems that maybe you would? > In our community, > for instance, most of the homes around here have a minimum > of 1-2 acres of > land and most have horses. When they come to the church > for the first time > most of them are in jeans. I have absolutely no problem > with that and I would > never consider saying anything that would make them feel > that their dress is > inappropriate because in this community and culture it > isn't! I don't wear > jeans very often except when I go hunting and fishing but > then I don't own a > hose either. We are about to put in a hitching post in > front of the sanctuary > and add a line when when get our new church sign that > says. "Horses Welcome!" > We have sevarl who do ride their horses to church! > Another thing is that > it is very hot here (119 last week), and if someone comes > in shorts it is ok > with me. I would rather they come in shorts than no come > at all! > Doc > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > Pastor Dr. David Powell > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest > shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > > To subscribe, send a message to: > pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... 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