I don't see it as a work of man, but of God. ;) However, be careful, you are speaking as a moral relativist: "That may be truth for you, but not for me..." ;) Blessings, Randy > Randy, > > That is what I said. > YOU MAY SEE THIS AS WORKS. > I do not. > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <shieldwolf@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:25 PM > To: <pastorsforum@...> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > >> If "i" decide to do it, then it is an action I do. If it is an action >> "I" >> do, then it is a work and we are saved by works. >> >> Luther is quite good on this in the Bondage of the Will. >> >> Blessings, >> Randy >> >>> Repentance is what we do for ourselves. >>> Choosing to make Jesus my Lord is what I did. >>> You may see that as work but I see that as a decision. >>> >>> Rev. Charles Cockroft >>> Associate Pastor >>> First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas >>> A Church Without Walls >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Kevin Sigafoos >>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:49 PM >>> To: pastorsforum@... >>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question >>> >>> >>> Charles, >>> >>> What you say would be true IF salvation was something YOU did for >>> yourself. But salvation is something that Christ did FOR us. So, if >>> you >>> want it back, you'll have to take it from HIM. >>> >>> John 10:27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they >>> follow >>> me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one >>> will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to >>> me,1 >>> is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the >>> Father's >>> hand. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:57 PM, JoynCharles <joyncharles@...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Salvation is not like a disease that you catch and can not get rid >>> of. >>> You want it -you got it to keep as long as you want it, all the >>> Devils >>> in hell can not take it away. >>> All the angels in heaven will not make you keep it, if you don't >>> want >>> it. >>> >>> Rev. Charles Cockroft >>> Associate Pastor >>> First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas >>> A Church Without Walls >>> >>> >>> >>> From: David Warner >>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:15 AM >>> To: pastorsforum@... >>> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question >>> >>> >>> Quite frankly, I don't see all this struggle to be saved and stay >>> saved, >>> like it was all up to me. Doesn't everyone see that Jesus Saves? Why >>> do some feel they have to help him out in this matter of salvation, >>> like >>> His death on the cross just wasn't quite enough. Who came up with this >>> "jumper-cable salvation" anyway? Do some really believe Jesus gets the >>> salvation engine running but it is up to us to keep it running? The >>> problem I see in many who think you can lose your salvation is they mix >>> justification and sanctification and come up with a works-salvation >>> rather than a salvation that produces good works. >>> >>> >>> >>> DW >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >>> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >>> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Grace and peace, >>> Kevin Sigafoos >>> --------------------- >>> For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory >>> forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >>> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >>> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >> >> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >> >> To unsubscribe, send a message to: >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > >