At the right hand of the Father. Jesus left and sent the Holy Spirit. Bill Burns Old Town Soup Kitchen 600 Gratiot St. Saginaw, Michigan 48602 989.791.4549 or cell 989.220.6228 --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Jerry Lewis <jlew0@...> wrote: > From: Jerry Lewis <jlew0@...> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > To: pastorsforum@... > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 2:00 PM > Where does Christ live? > > Jerry > "And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the > child, and delivered him again to his father. And they were > all amazed at the mighty power of God" (Luke 9:42-43). > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Warner > To: pastorsforum@... > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:17 AM > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > In my flesh dwelleth no good thing. > > But praise God, I've been saved from my sin. > > > > DW > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:57 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Are you SINLESS? > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:54 AM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:36 AM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > DW, > > That is when I rely on the Holy Spirit to remind me. > > We all have failures (even me) but it is not one sin that > makes you a sinner, it is the practice of sin. > > > > Ah, this is the problem, perhaps. We do not become > sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners. > Now, when one is born again, they do not practice sin. And, > God determines how long it takes for committing sin to > become a practice. It is not left up to you and me. But > we do know from the word of God that no born again believer > in Jesus Christ practices sin. Whosoever is born of God > doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he > cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9) > > > > > > > > Playing golf once or twice maybe 20-30 times does not > make you a golfer, we have the Holy Spirit with us at all > times and He convicts and leads all the time. Again because > of an ongoing relationship we have an advocate we go to at > any moment for forgiveness. > > This is how we conquer continually. > > A Conqueror is one that has been in a battle and won. > > > > Charles, you are still trying to reinterpret the word of > God to fit your view rather than allowing the word of God > to say what it says. The Bible declares that an overcomer > is "whosoever is born of God" and "he that > believeth that Jesus is the Son of God." It is not > something I do, it is someone I am. You see, faith is the > victory. Jesus Christ has already conquered and I am in > Him and He is in me and therefore the victory is already > won. Praise the Lord. The Bible declares me an overcomer. > I became an overcomer the moment I was born again and > received the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. > > > > DW > > > > > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:56 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > So what happens about those things you didn't > remember or felt they were too insignificant to matter > much? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:35 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > DW, > > > > I do this as I do a daily devotion as well as meditate on > scripture and what Book I am reading at the time. > > As I ask to be more like Him, He reminds me of things I > have done wrong. I repent of them. > > (KJV) 1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write > I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an > advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:20 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Is this something you did or something you have to > continuously do? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:38 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > DW, > > > > Repentance and asking Jesus to be my Lord. > > KJV Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the > Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath > raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:44 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Exactly what is your part is saving your soul, as you see > it? > > > > DW > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:12 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > DW, > > I go every day to the Lord and ask if He finds any way in > me that offends Him show me so I can do my part to get rid > of it. > > I did a series of "Body, Soul and Spirit" and > in it stress doing our part and God will do His part. > > When we discuss these things I understand more of where > you come from. > > Like I said If you are right I am safe. > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:14 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Charles, do you believe you have complete practical > holiness now? > > If so, how long have you had it? > > > > DW > > > > PS I'm enjoying the discussion. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:08 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > DW > > Again This is where we differ. > > Regressing is backsliding. > > God is married to the backslider and that means nags him. > > My understanding that Sanctification is Holiness. > > The Scripture says "Without holiness no man will see > God." > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:53 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > One is sanctified at the moment of salvation in the sense > that it begins there and the setting apart has it foundation > is justification. But that is not the end of > sanctification. One can progress and regress in > sanctification but not justification. Beloved, now are we > the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall > be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be > like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2) > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:32 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > You are telling me When you get saved we are not > sanctified. > > This is where we see things differently. > > I believe we are a new creature when we get saved and > make Jesus our Lord. > > Doe not scripture talk about walking in light as He is in > light? > > Walking means continuing in the light. > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:21 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Repentance is what you do when you believe on the Lord > Jesus Christ and are saved. > > Choosing to make Jesus your Lord is sanctification and > not justification. > > You can not apply what happens in sanctification to what > God did in justification. > > > > DW > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: JoynCharles [mailto:joyncharles@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:04 PM > To: pastorsforum@... > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Repentance is what we do for ourselves. > > Choosing to make Jesus my Lord is what I did. > > You may see that as work but I see that as a decision. > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: Kevin Sigafoos > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:49 PM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Charles, > > > > What you say would be true IF salvation was something YOU > did for yourself. But salvation is something that Christ > did FOR us. So, if you want it back, you'll have to > take it from HIM. > > > > John 10:27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, > and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they > will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my > hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me,1 is greater > than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the > Father's hand. > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:57 PM, JoynCharles > <joyncharles@...> wrote: > > Salvation is not like a disease that you catch and can > not get rid of. > > You want it -you got it to keep as long as you want it, > all the Devils in hell can not take it away. > > All the angels in heaven will not make you keep it, if > you don't want it. > > > > Rev. Charles Cockroft > Associate Pastor > First Assembly of God, Denison, Texas > A Church Without Walls > > > > From: David Warner > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:15 AM > > To: pastorsforum@... > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] new question - old question > > > > Quite frankly, I don't see all this struggle to be > saved and stay saved, like it was all up to me. > Doesn't everyone see that Jesus Saves? Why do some > feel they have to help him out in this matter of salvation, > like His death on the cross just wasn't quite enough. > Who came up with this "jumper-cable salvation" > anyway? Do some really believe Jesus gets the salvation > engine running but it is up to us to keep it running? The > problem I see in many who think you can lose your salvation > is they mix justification and sanctification and come up > with a works-salvation rather than a salvation that > produces good works. > > > > DW > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > pastorsforum-join@... 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