>>>>you seem to take such delight in trying to destroy the KJB Destroy the KJB????? Nonsense! I love the Bible in every translation, including the KJB. Guess what translation I have just inches from my elbow as I write this note????? Guess what translation I carry with me into the pulpit every Sunday morning and evening and every Wednesday night???? You will not hear me bragging about burning copies of the Bible like the poor brother I quoted in a post a few days ago. However, ..... I do delight in kicking over sacred cows, and KJV Onlyism is a sacred cow. There is no foundation for the foolish claim that the translators of the KJV did their work by divine inspiration. >>>>>And it seems that everything you disagree with is propaganda. No. I sometimes disagree with some of the posts Kevin or Steve make, but I don't think I would call their posts propaganda. Their posts are thought out and have substance to them. However, Jeff's article fits the bill perfectly. >>>>>Hey, are you part of that "only" cult as in "only in the originals"? No. I am not in any cult. I think for myself and do not swallow the religious dogma of others, Baptist or otherwise. BTW, did you realized that this is the 30 year anniversary of Jonestown??? Now, that was a real cult. >>>>You seem to get really riled up when this is mentioned. Riled up????? Hahahaha!!!! No, I love my IFB brethren, ..... I just don't agree with some of their emphases. I think they are out of line in trying to trash everyone they disagree with. Who are the "We the laity" that Jeff mentioned? Did he write this article or someone else? Jerry "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Warner" <dwarner@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] The latest "only" cult > Jerry, you seem to take such delight in trying to destroy the KJB. Why is > that? And it seems that everything you disagree with is propaganda. > Hey, are you part of that "only" cult as in "only in the originals"? You > seem to get really riled up when this is mentioned. > > DW > > > > >> Well, .. this looks like another prime example of IFB propaganda. >> >> >> >> It is a classic "Pot calling the kettle black" scenario. As I read it I >> seem to detect the odor of burning straw. There are elements of "strawman >> fallacy" in the article as well. >> >> >> >> Here is an IFB, a "King James Only" proponent, which some religious >> people term a "cult," trying to make a case for calling those who >> doctrinally take a different view on the issue of King James Onlyism a >> "cult." This is yet another example of IFB seeking to trash those who >> hold different views of belief or practice. >> >> >> >> I have never read or heard of anyone except "KJV Only" fundamentalists >> call or accuse those who deny divine inspiration for a particular >> translation, the KJV, a "cult." >> >> >> >>>>>>Conservatives say the Bible used to be inspired and inerrant. >>>>>> Liberals say it never was inspired or inerrant. Both agree that the >>>>>> Bible is now NOT inspired, inerrant or infallible. >> >> >> >> What source material is there to document these statements???? Who are >> the conservatives who say "the Bible used to be inspired and >> inerrant"???? >> >> >> >>>>>>God had somehow inspired the "original autographs", but subsequently >>>>>> decided to allow the "originals" to perish with time. >> >> >> >> Do you have evidence to establish that the originals did not perish? >> Where are they located now, in Greenville, SC, or in Hammond, In???? If >> any of the original documents survived today, would Baptists make idols >> out of them like some religious people do the so-called relics in the >> Roman and Eastern churches? >> >> >> >>>>>>They [Some scholars ] are claiming that the Word of God is truthful, >>>>>> and yet erroneous; accurate, and yet debatable; infallible, and yet >>>>>> capable of lying. >> >> >> >> Who are these scholars who claim that the Bible is "yet capable of >> lying"???? >> >> >> >>>>>> We, the laity, will be fully dependent upon the opinions of these >>>>>> men as to WHAT constitutes the Word of God - which verses are >>>>>> authentic, which words are true, and which verses or words are >>>>>> "scribal" errors. >> >> >> >> "We the laity"????? Did Jeff write this, or someone else????? Has Jeff >> ceased to be a Baptist preacher and now become "laity"???? Who really >> authored this article? >> >> >> >>>>> The Christians who believe that God had perfectly preserved for men a >>>>> perfectly inspired, inerrant and infallible Bible will have the >>>>> confidence that our faithful Lord had kept His Word. These Christians >>>>> will have a FINAL AUTHORITY in the form of a perfectly inspired, >>>>> inerrant and infallible Bible. They will not have to rely on men's >>>>> opinions or preferences. >> >> >> >> Do you reckon he had the 1631 edition of the KJB in mind when he penned >> these words???? >> >> >> >> In 1631, an edition of the KJV appeared in which Exodus 20:14 read, "Thou >> SHALT commit adultery." If someone got a print edition of that Bible >> today and said, "Well, God said it in my KJB, and that settles it for >> me!", how would you persuade them that their KJV was wrong before they >> went out to, uhm, "obey God's command?" >> >> >> >> If the statement "God preserves His Word" means the King James Version is >> perfect, then He sure did make a big mistake with the 1631 edition, >> called by some "the Adulterer's Bible." >> >> >> >> If the King James Bible is what God had in mind when He inspired the >> verse that states He preserves His Word, then why did it take sooooooo >> many years to get it into print???? When were the Psalms written???? When >> was the good authorized version printed??? Quite a gap in time, hunh???? >> >> >> >> Oh, ... and which version did God preserve for the Indians, the Chinese, >> and the various tribes and nations of Africa? >> >> >> >> Ohhhh, .. So many holes .. Such blatant propaganda ... >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> "Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, >> who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and >> wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3). >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Warner >> To: pastorsforum@... >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:55 PM >> Subject: [PastorsForum] The latest "only" cult >> >> >> An article on the latest "only" cult is available here: >> >> http://baptist-potluck.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> = >> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >> >> To un= >> subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> >> >> >> = >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: >> 11/14/2008 8:32 AM >> >> To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... >> >> To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> >> > > To subscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-join@... > > To unsubscribe, send a message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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