OK, God evidently made Angels with freewill. Therefore, with freewill
comes the ability of choice. There can be no choice unless there is at
least two things to choose from. God must have given at least two choices.
Yet that does not mean that God authored the choice that Satan and the
angels that followed him made, it simply allows freedom to make a choice.
In other words, God created angels with the ability to sin, but did not
create them to sin. I'm making circles now so I will quit.
Mike Cantrell
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<< File: ATT00040.htm >> Dale,
Based on God's design - the ability or possibility to sin was there
but that does not mean that sin itself was there.
Peace,
STeve
PS - When are you going to dispel all of our conjecture and give us
your thoughts - your toying with us :-) It is kinda fun though.
Dale Gooding wrote:
> Steven,
> This great!!!!! You are heading in my direction. Problem though -
> you said "But this does not mean that Satan 'created' sin though it
> does seem to imply he was the first to sin" How could he have been
> the "first" to do something that did not exist? Hmmmm????
> Yes, it is deep and I am glad to see you guys participating. This
> kind of thinking makes us good learner and therefore good teachers of
> theology. Oh, but that we would compel our people to think instead of
> mimic.
>
> DG
>
>
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> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] sin
>
> Mickey,
> I agree with you. But as I have thought about this and read some
> of these posts I am beginning to wonder if 'sin' is a 'thing' or
> not. I do not believe that 'sin' is created it happens when we
> disobey God. I would venture to guess that when God designed
> angels and then man and their will - He did so knowing that they
> would have the ability to obey and do good, but also they would
> have the ability to disobey and sin. This is what is meant by
> freedom of the will - free moral beings. Adam and Eve had this
> freedom as did, it appears, Satan. But I do not believe that this
> makes God the author of sin. Sin came about when Satan rebelled
> and then for humanity when Adam and Eve disobeyed. But this does
> not mean that Satan 'created' sin though it does seem to imply he
> was the first to sin - and sin was a consequence to the choice of
> disobedience. Okay I am wading in deep here and I better back out
> before I begin to drown. Sorry for thinking out loud, but I find
> this discussion to be some of the more challenging and fruitful
> discussion we have had in a while. and the great thing is no one
> has been calling anyone else names ....yet.
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
> BTW - don't apologize about your level of education. God used
> some scholars (Paul, Luke) but mostly he just used common everyday
> folks who were transformed by the Gospel (Peter, John, James etc).
>
> mwcarnes wrote:
>
>> Hi guys I am not well educated as you can tell from my posts.
>> Have a little Bible school. And I cannot go into the Hebrew and
>> Greek as you fellows do. My stad is: God created everything that
>> there is or ever will be. God is the only creator. Satan misused
>> the possession and power that God gave him. I can only rearrange
>> or combine what God has already created. Satan can only do what
>> God allows.
>> Because God is the creater of every thing; they every thing was
>> created for man's good, misuse or abust makes it sinful. mwc
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