Jeff, Should I chalk much of this up to the inability of e-mail to get our intents with the proper emotion across or are you just intent on proving you are a mean-spirit, pit bull, etc, etc, etc... Preacher? Lets start with the beginning of your reply. -- I never said nor intimated that I don't hate sin, preach against it, hate the devil, etc... Any godly man of god would and should preach against sin, all sin, without reservation. I DO! -- Who ever said anything about giving Satan an inch? I am talking about dealing with people, the lost and the saved, not Satan. Every preacher ought to preach "hard" when called for (and only when called for as opposed to screaming 'open your Bibles', the whole sermon, and finally 'AMEN') thinking 'boy, we gave the devil a ride today'. That is not the point or intent of preaching. What ever happened to worship? I preach hard when called for and I am not afraid to get loud when necessary. -- Gossip - who said it comes with the turf? There is no excuse for gossip. Not saying that I haven't but I wouldn't say that I know of any recent gossip on my part. Gossip is not a tool and shouldn't be some kind of reason or excuse for speaking wrongly. -- I could not bring myself to calling Jesus a pit bull, nor mean spirited. I don't see that in scripture and would like some references if you do. Are you suggesting Jesus was a "Baptist"? If so, I need a ref. for that too, please! -- I was not being mean nor insinuating you haven't read I Cor. 15:58 I merely was asking if you had read it in light of my posts for this subject because I want you to know I believe you are a brother and want to encourage you in the ministry of our Lord till he comes. So, I want say you are being mean about Mt. 23. I am sure you know I am familiar with the text and do read it regularly. But, Jesus' responses like that were relatively rare. He didn't enter the synagogue each Sabbath and do that! -- Sweet spirit - please forgive me for not using a Biblical term like, oh I don't know -resurrection or trinity - surely you use these terms. I expected to simply get a point across. If you don't understand what I mean, let me know and I will give you what I believe a good definition to be. -- Dr. Dave will respond if he chooses. He hasn't responded to me personally yet either. He is probably, if I know DP, watching and smiling on the sidelines - :-) am I right Dr. Dave?....... -- Bad Experiences / bad attitudes. Surely you are not suggesting that bad experiences justify our having bad attitudes. Hmmm, Mt 5:44 "but I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" That is what I teach, preach and try to do. I would not counsel any of my sheep that a mean spirited response to being done unjustly is a Biblical / Christian response and would use the above scripture to prove it. -- Fundamentalist / Conservative. Glad we agree on being conservative but you seem to be questioning my being a Fundamentalist because I don't have a mean spirited attitude. If I am wrong here I apologize. -- Prais a luah. Is that a Biblical term? No, but I do know what you mean so I won't attack you about it! -- Forum of grown men. If you are suggesting I intend to hurt godly men (if not, this is not an attack just a question) then you are wrong. I don't know of many themes in the past that have been as honest and openly objective as this one. Lets face it, I am only saying what I hear too many others say and am trying to find out why they say it and what the opinions of other men is. Quite honestly Jeff you sound like "the guilty dog that barks first". I am not saying you are (even though you yourself have said you are mean spirited) but you just come across as sounding so. But be comforted, my love for you is not based on either my agreement with you or variant choices of attitude. :-) DG -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Regena in Northern BC [mailto:J.R.Hallmark@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:44 PM To: pastorsforum@... Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] crucifixion attitude Greetings, Bro. Dale wrote-- > Jeff, > The spirit of your response speaks for itself. Your are coming across > exactly like the > people I am identifying as have a mean spirit. Yes, sir. in the context in which I wrote ie.. sin hating, devil chasing, hell-fire etc... I don't dream about a sweet spirit, towards satan and his crowd. > Not saying that you do, I haven't met you (although you do say > yourself that you have a > mean spirit) but it sure sounds like it. > -- Gossip? NO I thought this was what this forum was for. I am not > afraid to ask hard > questions and have already said "I may be > wrong" but am trying to find out in order to help us out. This does not even > fall under the definition of gossip. We are all guilty of gossip to a degree, it comes with the turf. > -- Would you call Jesus a "mean spirited, pit bull dog, sin hating, > devil chasing, hell- fire > fighting, Independent, Fundamental BAPTIST Oh, yes, esp. the IF Baptist. > Preacher" If not, why would anyone want to identify themselves as > such. If > so, prove it scripturally please! Have ye not read how Jesus cleared the temple? or Mt 23 ? or how Jesus walked 100k to be baptized by John the Baptist? > -- I am not attacking the IFB movement. I have stated repeatedly I > would notwant to be > anything other than IFB. But that doesn't > mean I have to be apathetic and/or acrimonious! When I say "I don't know" I > mean I am not sure of all the reasons. > -- "Bless your heart..." does it pain you or anyone else thatI try to > maintain, as taught in > God's word, to have asweet spirit?" > What does that say aboutthe ministry of someone who has that opinion? Where is "sweet" spirit taught in the word of God? > -- "Right thinking like you". I think everyone of us would admit that > although we don't > always agree with Dr. Dave on all things, > thats right, even I don't, we would all agree that Dr. Dave has a very balanced, > very knowledgeable, very educated (dis- > regard that all of you who believe something is wrong with education > cemetery vs. seminary'), very patient and considerate > perspective on almost every issue to which he chooses to involve himself. bahahahahahaha > NOTE: Dr. Dave has not even responded yet! maybe he hasn't woke up yet? I mean it is almost noon here. > -- Bro. Joe. I don't know him or much about him. I am sure that there > are those in each > camp who have done much like this in hopping > from one field to another. But that doesn't annul the fact that, as far as my > experience has been (and that is why I put this > forward) the IFB preachers "seem" to have a bad attitude. bad attitudes many times come from bad experinces. > Let me say this clearly! IAM a Fundamentalist because I believe the > fundamentals of the > faith! AMEN I am a conservative! PTL I do not use contemporary music, cancel services, water-down anything, hold my tongue, or anything else. I am the kind of guy who will say "piss, bastard, hell" or any other Biblical word if need be from the pulpit without reservation or shame because I believe it is in God's word and refuse to take it out. I AMNOT though -mean spirited, arrogant, close-minded (I believe in being objective as opposed to 'open-minded'), hateful, careless, non-studious (as I see many to be), etc... Prais a luaha > Too many times, even on this forum, an acrimonious spirit has only > hurt our position > instead of helping it. This forum is a forum of grown men. Who should be able to take it, weather we agree or not. Our position should not hurt the work of God, if men are looking to God and not at other. We are not to compare ourselves with ourselves. > Jeff, just because our theology is right doesn't mean we have to > hateful and mean > spirited. I just don't see it in the Lord. > > DG > I Cor. 15:58 > "long live the IFB movement" > I Cor. 15:58 - please read if you haven't! This was mean of you to suggest that I haven't read I Cor. 15:58 B-( BTW, have a good day. Pastor Jeff Hallmark SPRUCELAND BAPTIST CHURCH ~~~Presenting the Prince of Peace to Prince George~~~ -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity."