DP, Is James Sundquist the same guy who wrote what Jeff posted? I didn't think Jeff said who wrote it. The phrase "this is what the real Bible says" raised some concern for me as I mentioned earlier and then looked to discover that the quote of Romans 12:2 from the NLT as it was in the article was a 'chop job'. Still don't know if that was RW or the author of the article. Peace, Steve DAVID POWELL wrote: > My purpose, in my comments, is not that any of us are above criticism > but that if you look at the work titled below you will see that the > purpose of the book is simply to tear down what Bro. Warren is doing. I > have grown weary of Heretic hunters. With comments like "this is what > the real Bible says" it gives away the hyper-judgmental nature of works > like these. For one thing, the KJV is NOT the REAL Bible it is an > English translation of the REAL BIBLE. The Real Bible was written in > Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. I do not wish to beat that horse again!!! > If you can criticize without trying to tear down a brother go for it. > If all you want to do is to "prove" you are more pure in your doctrinal > stance than someone else then you have missed it. None of us are > totally pure, at least not in this life. I do not agree with everything > that Bro. Warren does but I am tired of people who don't even recognize > the good that Rick and his church and teaching s have done for the > kingdom! The Book entitled below is not a scholarly critique of Rick > Warren but just another attempt to brand him as a heretic. > > Matt. 7:15-20 > 15 "Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but > are really wolves that will tear you apart. > 16 You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a > tree by its fruit. You don't pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from > thistles. > 17 A healthy tree produces good fruit, and an unhealthy tree produces > bad fruit. > 18 A good tree can't produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can't produce > good fruit. > 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and > thrown into the fire. > 20 Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit > that is produced. > Why is it that so many men who produce little or no fruit that can feed > the body are the loudest to criticize the fruit of others who are > producing good fruit for God's kingdom? > > Not all false prophets are the ones doing all the work, some of the > biggest are those who feel their calling is to make sure that everyone > conforms to their way and traditions and if they don't they make it > their life's work to tear down others good fruit trees. > > The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren > > False Teachings, False Teachers, and Contradictions in Rick Warren's > > Purpose Driven Life Book and Program > > Subtitle: Your Virus Protection & Firewall for Purpose Driven Life Theology > > by James Sundquist > > > Pastor David > > Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven G. Rockhill <mailto:revrock@...> > To: pastorsforum@... <mailto:pastorsforum@...> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Do we have to have 40 days to have purpose? > > Thanks Derick, > Have you read either PDC or PDL? Maybe we should do a book > study. I > haven't read either but know enough from cruising the PDC website and > their Pastors Forum that I would disagree with much theologically. (And > BTW if some folks had problems with our forum moderator with censorship > they haven't seen anything compared to the p.com forum moderators.) It > does concern me that many take RWs teaching as the golden truth and do > not take the time to 'search the Scriptures'. I have heard some good > things about PDL and some in my congregation have read it. I think the > first chapter focuses on its all about God and not you the individual. > I think that is a great way to start and make that emphasis clear. > Some > day I will take the time to read these works and come to a more solid > judgment. > > Peace, > Steve >