Yes, some of that was occurring as well. Joe On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Jeff Scanlan wrote: > Wasn't there also something about some stopping work because they > believed > the return of Christ was imminent? (Sorry I did not get time to check > this > up!) > > God bless, > Jeff > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph Krygier [mailto:pasjk@...] >> Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 6:38 AM >> To: soundofgrace@... >> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] NCT and Politics >> >> The Thessalonian passage I believe also carries with it some strong >> cultural connotations. >> Everyone did not work like we work jobs in our culture. >> It may well have been that Paul was addressing some who were supported >> by underwriters for their crafts and that carried with it all kinds of >> obligations to the benefactor, especially if you were an artisan. Your >> supporter could make all kinds of "demands" on you to continue to >> receive their favor. Paul and the apostles could "demand" being taken >> care of by the church as their benfactors, but did not. They paid >> their >> own way. Paul is admonishing that those are disorderly if they are >> now >> , after the first warnings in the first letter, still continuing in a >> client status with a benefactor. Therefore these, who are now idle >> without a patron were being disobedient. Patonage usually lasted for >> life, unless one angered the patron. >> Joe >> On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:17 PM, John Reisinger wrote: >> >>> Moe: This is another example of hermeneutics. Government, by its >>> very >>> nature and by God's ordination,is to protect and care for its >>> citizens. I think most people would assume that "caring for" would >>> include a soup kitchen during depression or a time of a disaster. >>> JGR >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Moe Bergeron >>>> To: soundofgrace@... >>>> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] NCT and Politics >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/23/06, Someone wrote: >>>> "But my observation has been that when government takes on the task >>>> of feeding the hungry ( a mandate BTW which God has never assigned >>>> to >>>> civil government) it always ends up feeding those whom God says >>>> should NOT eat! i.e. those who will not work! See II Thessalonians >>>> 3:10." >>>> >>>> Moe - thinking out loud: >>>> Governments are use of God to bring judgement to those peoples >>>> within >>>> and without of their respective borders. There is no biblical >>>> mandate >>>> stating they may or may not redistribute the wealth of those >>>> governed. I've heard it said that the world's governments put the >>>> churches of Christ to shame when it comes to generosity. >>>> >>>> 2Thess 3:10 is addressed to the church and not to the nations. >>>> >>>> 3:10 For even when we were with you we used to give you this >>>> command: >>>> "If anyone is not willing to work, neither should he eat." 3:11 For >>>> we hear that some among you are living an undisciplined life, not >>>> doing their own work but meddling in the work of others. 3:12 Now >>>> such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work >>>> quietly and so provide their own food to eat. 3:13 But you, brothers >>>> and sisters, do not grow weary in doing what is right. 3:14 But if >>>> anyone does not obey our message through this letter, take note of >>>> him and do not associate closely with him, so that he may be >>>> ashamed. >>>> 3:15 Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a >>>> brother. >>>> >>>> moe >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Read the Sound of Grace pages at >>> http://www.soundofgrace.com >>> >>> To unsubsc >>> ribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> To view o >>> ur online archive go to our web page at >>> http://www.associate.com/groups/soun >>> dofgrace >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Read the Sound of Grace pages at >> http://www.soundofgrace.com >> >> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace- >> unsubscribe@... >> >> To view our online archive go to our web page at >> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >> >> > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > >