How do we know these mind hold to these beliefs? What evidence can you provide? Why should I take some a general remark by you as truth? HOw did you arrive at this? If, they do hold to creeds as you say---What is the depth of their used of creeds? What place do they give creeds? Those type of broad sweeping statments don't play in this play ground. Scott Paul Bushey <waytohim@...> wrote:William, History has proved the validity. The majority of believers over the centuries have embraced these creeds. For example, do you all not embrace the Apostles Creed? Every orthodox believer I have known has. There have been great men of faith throughout the church history who have embraced these ideas............Pick a name out of a hat today: D. James Kennedy, Alister Begg, R.C. Sproul, J.I. Packer, A.W. Pink, Gill, Spurgeon, James Boice, James White, John MacArthur....the list goes on..........All of these men ascribed to creedal ideas. Is history's acceptance NOT proof of it's validity? "William A. Sprinkle, Jr." wrote: Scott Paul Bushey wrote: > How do you get that the creeds are unscriptural? The creeds > were written in order to itemize that which the bible dictates > only...... Scott also wrote: > The reformers put together all the major tenets of the Christian > faith into a concise document so that one could efficiently > access their belief system (based of course, scripture alone), in > the case one would need to expound upon what they saw the bible > to say...... And Scott wrote: > I have clearified the reformed postition in regards to how and > why we use creeds. Let it be known, the creeds are a statement > of faith, used by the reformed as a tool, not seen above or ex- > alted above Gods Holy word. Sprinkle jumps in, from the sidelines. The one question I have not seen addressed is "what if in some point the confession or creed is wrong?" What provision is there for correction among believers whose "koinonia" is rooted in a required adherence to the creed or confession, at least on the points addressed by them? It seems to me that Jeff" is mainly objecting to the practice of making adherence to the confessions and creeds, rather than adherence to the Scripture itself, the grounds of fellowship and of laboring together in the Lord. Unless it can be demon- strated conclusively that the confessions and creeds in every point accurately reflect and summarize the teachings of the Bible, I would join Jeff in his objection. Further, until such demonstration can be produced, I would also agree that to require adherence to those statements is tantamount to raising them to a position of greather authority than the propositions actually contained in the Bible. Sprinkle -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace Jeff