Bingo! On 5/22/08, Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote: >>I need an answer that is not arbitrary, nebulous, mystical, nor > esoteric--in other words, "consistent and correct." Further, I need it to be > very correct. I >need it to be 100% correct. > > > > And I need a fairy godmother to come and get rid of 50-degree weather in > May. > > > > > > Chad Richard Bresson > > Pastor for Spiritual Development > > <http://www.clearcreekchapel.org/> Clearcreek Chapel > > Springboro, OH > > blog: <http://breusswane.blogspot.com/> The Vossed World > > > > From: Kerry Kinchen [mailto:kkinchen@...] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:34 AM > To: soundofgrace@... > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Testing my Hermy with the Lens of the NT > > > > Ed Trefzger > > A consistent and correct hermeneutic would provide similar answers to each > of those questions if we look at them as New Covenant believers and with > Christ as our lens. > > > > Please demonstrate how a consistent and correct hermeneutic employs Christ > as our lens in respect to the laws of the Old Covenant that are listed > below. I need an answer that is not arbitrary, nebulous, mystical, nor > esoteric--in other words, "consistent and correct." Further, I need it to be > very correct. I need it to be 100% correct. > > > > Ed Trefzger > > None have force of law; all have something to teach us either as abiding > moral principles ... > > What "abiding moral principles" for us in the New Covenant, and us in the > afterlife, are you talking about in respect to "all" the Old Covenant laws > listed below? > > > > Ed Trefzger > > ... or as types or shadows,... > > > > Please demonstrate, without using human imagination, and fictional > creativity, what the "consistent and correct" types and shadows (plural) of > all the laws listed below are? I need an answer that would be God's > answer--one that after you have given it and have taught me, you will be > comfortable with the stricter form of judgement you have brought upon > yourself. > > > > Ed Trefzger > > or -- most importantly -- about the mind and will of God. > > > > Please demonstrate what the mind of God is for you and me under the New > Covenant in respect to the list of laws below (each). > > > > Ed Trefzger > I'm wondering if the better questions might be -- having already agreed to > the presupposition that they no longer having force of law: > > The questions I have asked are so extremely important that to not understand > the gravity of what I am getting at is to persist in a hermeneutic that is > neither consistent nor correct. > > > > Ed Trefzger > > 1) What does this law (or passage of Scripture) reveal to us or as a type > portend to us about Christ? > > Then you are looking at Christ through the lens of each particular Old > Covenant law code below, rather than from the so-called other direction, by > looking at each through the lens of Christ, but then I do not understand > this poetic language anyway. Can you explain it to me? How do I do it > without being arbitrary and creative? Is there a testament part of the canon > that God has given me that helps keep me from going beyond the truth? > > > > Ed Trefzger > 2) What does this law tell us about living as believers in the NC? > > Exactly. What does "this" (or that) law tell us about living as believers in > the NC? How do I know? > > > > Ed Trefzger > 3) (Overlapping those two) What does this reveal to us about God's mind, > God's will and God's holiness? > > The whole Bible reveals God's mind. We want to know about God's mind, will, > and holiness for the body of Christ, which is in the New Covenant. > > > > KK > > > > 1) Is the statute under something called a moral law? > > > > 2) Is the statute an issue under something called an eternal law that is in > the mind of God that goes back in eternity past, and goes forward for > eternity future? > > > > 3) Does the OC Law inform us in the New Covenant that the issue the statute > deals with is still sinful? > > > > 4) If I do some of these statutes not repeated through the lens of the NT > myself, am a) I hating God, b) hating my neighbor, or c) hating myself?--How > do I know? > > > > Why is it still a sin to show mercy to pagan nation? (Deuteronomy 7:2) > > Why is it not a sin to destroy fruit trees? (Deuteronomy 20:19) > > Why is it still a sin to allow the body of one hanged to remain so > overnight? (Deuteronomy 21:22-23) > > Why is it not a sin to make oil according to the recipe of holy anointing > oil for personal use? (Exodus 30:31-33) > > Why is it not a sin to make incense according to the formula of the holy > incense for personal use? (Exodus 30:37) > > Why is it not a sin to eat a torn or mauled animal? (Exodus 22:31) > > Why is it not a sin to eat the meat of a bull that has been stoned to death > for goring someone? (Exodus 21:28 > > Why is it not a sin to eat any animal found already dead? (Deuteronomy > 14:21) > > According to the New Covenant, why is it not a sin to eat of sacrifices to > false gods? (Leviticus 17:7) > > According to the New Covenant, why is it not a sin to eat any unclean > animal? (Deuteronomy 14:7-8) > > Why is it not a sin to eat the fruit of young fruit trees for the first > three years of growth? (Leviticus 19:23 > > Why is it not a sin to eat the produce from the planting of mixed seed? > (Deuteronomy 22:9) > > Why is it not a sin to plant a field with two kinds of seed? (Leviticus > 19:19) > > Why is it not a sin to plant a vineyard with two kinds of seed. (Deuteronomy > 22:9) > > Why is it not a sin to crossbreed different species of animals. (Leviticus > 19:19) > > Why is it not a sin to work with two different species of animals yoked > together. (Deuteronomy 22:10) > > Why is it not a sin anymore for land to be sold permanently? (Leviticus > 25:23) > > Are Christian bankers who lend to a brother with interest in sin? (Leviticus > 25:37) > > Why is it not a sin to borrow from a brother with interest for a house > mortgage? (Deuteronomy 23:19-20) > > Why is it not a sin to participate in a loan to a brother with interest? > (Exodus 22:25) > > Why is it not a sin to remove a landmark or alter land boundaries? > (Deuteronomy 19:14) > > Why is it not a sin for a hired worker to harvest a brother's grain for > himself? (Deuteronomy 23:25) > > Why is it not a sin for a hired worker must not take more produce than he > can eat? (Deuteronomy 23:24) > > Why is it not a sin to judge a matter on the testimony of one witness, or on > circumstantial evidence, for example a pastor catches a man in adultery and > tells it to the other elders? (Deuteronomy 19:15) > > So all Christians share in another's guilt by not relentlessly correcting > their sin? (Leviticus 19:17) > > Why is it not a sin to take the mother when taking the young birds? > (Deuteronomy 22:6) > > Why is it not a sin to permit a witch to live? (Exodus 22:18) > > According to the New Covenant, why is it not a sin to work on the Sabbath? > (Exodus 20:10, 31:15) > > Why is it not a sin to not approach a menstruous wife for sexual relations > with her? (Leviticus 18:19) > > Why is it not a sin for a childless widow to marry anybody outside of her > husband's family? (Deuteronomy 25:5) > > Why is it not a sin for a man to allow himself to be castrated? 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