I agree entirely with Harry's reference to Galatians, which is an important consideration in any such situation. This is another reason that I think the elders must be involved, and involved as soon as possible. The directive of Galatians is to those who "are spiritual," which (we hope) would include the elders. As the spiritual leaders of the church, their early participation can help to promote the ends of Galatians 6:1 so that the "end" of Matthew 18 may be avoided, except where true non-repentance is the issue. My experience has been that much of what is treated as "non-repentance" under Matthew 18 may actually be the result of other issues that a spiritual man might have been able to recognize and address. An aggrieved man under Matthew 18 should (I think) take his grievance to the elders, who should go to the accused man and determine the truth of the matter. If sin is the problem, then they seek restoration (Galatians 6:1) and if the man cannot be restored (will not give up his sin), then they bring it to the church (final step of Matthew 18). I also do not believe that Matthew 18 sets a rigid formula of the number of visits. I think the "coming to him with witnesses" may be more than one meeting. We are not bound to tell someone "repent right now or we tell the church on Sunday" the first time we meet with him. Give time for the elders to work and for wisdom to find a place. Timothy is advised that even those in opposition are to be treated with gentleness. James W. Allen jallen@...