Chad, You wrote: Even if they are two parts (they're not), the second part qualifies the first part. David: Says you. Chad:The word "graven" itself cannot be interpreted in any other way than "fashioned for worship". Worship is inherent to the word itself. David: I don't know where you get this from. I just checked the word and it's "pecel" and it means, idol, image, graven, carved. I think you're adding a bit to the defintion to suit your purpose. If you insist that the word graven cannot be interpreted in ANY other way than "fashioned for worship" then you have a HUGE problem on your hands, and I will not go any further in the discussion with you until you address it. Allow me to demonstrate. Read this verse and tell me that it MUST fit YOUR way of "only being able to interpret it as 'fashioned for worship'". --"Behold, I have GRAVEN thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me." Isaiah 49:16. That's God talking sir. Are you telling me that God is "fashioning us for worship"???? David