Chad: With a great deal of affection and respect, I must beg to differ with you based on the following: 1. There are no equal signs in the text. 2. Scripture often suffers at the hands of "logic", when the logical conclusions which are presented are exegetically untenable. I believe it would be beneficial if these particular "logical" conclusions were set over against a grammatical diagram of Col. 2:11-12. The very "equation" you posit is precisely what I do not see the text warranting. Soli Deo Gloria, Sola Scriptura, John T. "Jack" Jeffery