The formula stands because you've inserted an element not present in Jack's
equation.

The problem is B.  Heart Circumcision and Spiritual Baptism are one and the
same.  It does not "produce"... it "is".

Chad Bresson
Xenia, OH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Fuchs (on MSN)" <SteveF_MS@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re: Covenant theology and baptism - Jack to Chad


> Actually, the equation doesn't say that at all.
>
> There are 4 elements, not 3, and the two middle ones are not equated.
>
> A) Physical circumcision only foreshadows B) Heart Circumcision
> B) Heart circumcision produces C) Spiritual baptism
> C) Spiritual baptism is symbolized by D) Physical Baptism.
>
>
> B and C are related as two parts of something greater, but not the same
> things.
> A foreshadows B, B produces C, and C is symbolized (and memorialized) by
D.
>
> It's a leap then to conclude A=D.
>
> Redemptive history is stuffed full of God memorializing events so that the
> people of God, and the generations to follow them, will remember what He
has
> done.
>
> B and C are what God has done.
> A gives us physical language to describe, talk about, and understand it, D
> gives us a means of remembering it.
>
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Richard Bresson [mailto:breusswane@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:23 PM
> To: soundofgrace@...
> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Re: Covenant theology and baptism - Jack to
Chad
>
>
> > 1.  The connection between physical circumcision and water baptism is
> quite indirect.  This connection only comes via the following linkage in
the
> passage: 1) physical circumcision is emblematic of spiritual/heart
> circumcision ("the circumcision of Christ").  2) Spiritual/heart
> circumcision has a relationship to spiritual baptism.  3) Spiritual
baptism
> is depicted in water baptism.  What we have then is the following:
physical
> circumcision -> spiritual circumcision - spiritual baptism <- water
baptism.
>
> The differences in our views is that while you've correctly noted the
> connection, it is not indirect, but direct because of the rules of logic.
>
> If A = B and B = C, then A = C.  That's a direct identification or
> connection.
>
>
> Chad Bresson
> Xenia, OH
>
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