Steve: << B) Heart circumcision produces C) Spiritual baptism >> Based upon my understanding of what you have written we are apparently in basic agreement on this issue. However, what you posted above raises a question with me. Exegetically, I do not see the text teaching that "B...produces...C", and theologically I am uncertain how this can be. Could you clarify what you mean by this, and how you derive this from Col. 2:11-12? Thanks! Soli Deo Gloria, John T. "Jack" Jeffery