You still haven't answered the question.  He needed no proof that he was the
messiah nor did he need 33 years in order to fulfill prophecy.

His teaching by life and example, IMHO, is trivializing of his life and
serves no *real*, salvific purpose... all of which could have been
accomplished without his life.

Which brings me to this... I doubt our conversation could get any closer to
ground zero than this.  The argument "it was God's will" makes God out to be
arbitrary and beyond His own revelvation, IMHO, and historically has been
the credo of both gnostics and anti-illectuals.

The biblical answer is this, grounded in justification by imputation of a
righteousness attained in life and death: His life saves us, even as His
death saves us.  "He gave His life as a ransom" isn't merely about Christ's
death.  The word is "life".  His entire life in obedience to the Law was
necessary for our salvation.  Without it, Christ could not have saved us.
He could not have died in hour #2.

Chad Bresson
Xenia, OH




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "H Dorrington" <hjdinfl@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Active obedience of Christ


> How could His earthly ministry have accomplished by hour two of His life?
> Should His earthly ministry be so trivialized? His sermons, His parables,
> His teachings as well as the miracles which all attested to the fact that
He
> was the Christ besides His fulfilled prophecy the Father never chose to
> accomplish this by hour two of His life. To this the Apostle John who
walked
> with Christ could see the importance of His earthly ministry by penning
> these words under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit: "And there are also
> many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written
> every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the
books
> that should be written."  Yet still we are told "He has been manifested to
> put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself." Yes, I believe that is the
cross.
> Yes they tried to kill Him at His birth but that would have prevent His
> earthly ministry.
>
> "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen
> His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father,
> full of grace and truth."
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
> Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote:
> IOW, every sentence you have here, minus seek and save (which itself is
> grounded not in Christ's earthly ministry, but the cross), speaks of his
> death... something that could have been accomplished in hour #2 of His
life.
> You can't find any "reason" for his life as an adult?
>
> Chad Bresson
> Xenia, OH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "H Dorrington"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Active obedience of Christ
>
>
> > Why did Jesus share in our humanity?
> >
> > He came to do the will of the Father which involved both fulfilling
> > prophecy, His earthly ministry as well as His death on the cross.
> > For the Son of man came to save that which was lost.
> > For the Son of man also came not to be ministered unto, but to minister,
> and to give his life a ransom for many.
> > But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels,
> namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of
> death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For
it
> was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing
many
> sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through
> suffering.
> > Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity
> so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of
death--that
> is, the devil-- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by
> their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's
> descendants. For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every
> way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in
> service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the
people.
> > Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of
> the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been
> manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
> >
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > Chad Richard Bresson
> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "H Dorrington"
> > > No, He came to do the will of the Father.
> >
> > Which was what? Why was the will of the Father not fulfilled on day 2 of
> > His life?
> >
> > Chad Bresson
> > Xenia, OH
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
> > --
> > Read the Sound of Grace pages at
> > http://www.soundofgrace.com
> >
> > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
> soundofgrace-unsubscribe@...
> >
> > To view our online archive go to our web page at
> > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Read the Sound of Grace pages at
> http://www.soundofgrace.com
>
> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
soundofgrace-unsubscribe@...
>
> To view our online archive go to our web page at
> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
> --
> Read the Sound of Grace pages at
> http://www.soundofgrace.com
>
> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
soundofgrace-unsubscribe@...
>
> To view our online archive go to our web page at
> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace
>
>
>