----- Original Message ----- From: "H Dorrington" <hjdinfl@...> > Ground Zero: The Biblical answer quoted from the Bible, not reasoned from a theological system This is a red herring. The "system" is the Bible speaking for itself. The argument that "systematic theology" is not Scripture is inherently anti-intellectual and ultimately, unbiblical. >Galatians 1:4 "who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and >Father" This is His own revelation so it does not make God out to be "arbitrary and beyond His own revelation" since He >has chosen to say and therefore reveal this truth to us! This still begs the question!! This verse could have been accomplished in hour #2, which means this verse is not an end-all be-all but merely one part of the whole. > To say: "His entire life in obedience to the Law was necessary for our salvation" is conjecture. Well... no it's not, as Mike pointed out. >"His teaching by life and example, IMHO, is trivializing of his life and serves no *real*, salvific purpose." Scripture also >says He ate, drank, slept, and wept and this may serve "no *real*, salvific purpose" except Scripture teaches "He too ?>shared in their humanity so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death." A verse pulled out of context to prove a point that can't be made. One cannot "share in humanity" without also subjecting oneself to the "obedience for life" Law that is inherent to man's existence. The Bible states this, >where does it state "His entire life in obedience to the Law was necessary for our salvation"? In the very verses you've posited for your own position. Chad