----- Original Message ----- From: "H Dorrington" <hjdinfl@...> >"He too shared in their humanity so that by His death > He might destroy him who holds the power of death." Precisely. It's not possible to "share in their humanity" outside of placing oneself under the demands of the law. No verse is more hermeneutically abused in this regard than Hebrews 4:15. Without getting into the structure of the argument in Hebrews, 4:15 is organically/thematically tied to Hebrews 2:14-18 and contextualized by Israel's disobedience at Kadesh-Barnea. Rather than "tempted" understood within the nature of "sin", too often it is moralized into some kind of "sympathetic" experience of the human experience. "Tempted" is grounded in the Law and cannot be understood any other way. So when the writer of Hebrews says he "partook of the same things" and he was "made like his brothers in every respect" the mandate of the Law is included. "Tempted" has absoutely no meaning outside of the Law. Further, the writer of Hebrews by using the word "tempted" in chapters 2 and 4 is 1. invoking the imagery of the garden, and 2. calling to mind primarily Christ's temptation in the wilderness. IOW, Christ partook of the same temptation of the First and Corporate Adams. And this is the context for 4:15... Corporate Adam stood at the threshold of its Corporate Garden, given the promise of a Sabbath rest (hmm... more evidence that the seventh day/Sabbath -- notice the writer of Hebrews uses those two terms interchangeably -- was the promise of a higher life), was tempted, and disobeyed (4:1-8). The Corporate Adam's disobedience was a covenantal disobedience that resulted in a failure to obtain salvation (the sabbath rest)... and the Last Adam's "temptation" of verse 15 is juxtaposed over against the Corporate Adam's disobedience. His life of suffering through temptation (2:18) is salvific (2:10), culminating in a death that destroyed the tempter of the First Adam and Corporate Adam (2:14). And the writer doesn't end this "temptation" discussion in chapter 4. He more explicitly states that the substance of Christ's suffering was obeying the Law (5:8) to perfection (5:9 via Matthew 5:48, Lev. 19:2) in order that he could be the source of eternal salvation. Christ's perfection in keeping the law then sets up the writer's use of the same word to show the impossibility of obeying the law to perfection under the Old Covenant (7:11, 19, 28). Hebrews 2, 4, 5, & 7 explain more fully the statement made by Paul that the reconciliation of salvation comes through Christ's life (Romans 5:10), Christ's own words (Mark 10:45, John 10:11,15,17, John 14:6), and Paul's argument that Christ's life is salvific (2 Cor. 4:9-12). There is a life that Christ gives because of the cross/resurrection (Col. 3:4), but this shouldn't be confused with Christ's present tense statements during his ministry (Mark 10:45, John 10:11,15,17, John 14:6) in which he states that his present life laying down is a ransom for the sheep. Chad Bresson Xenia, OH