[soundofgrace] Re: [soundofgrace] Active obedience of Christ

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From: "Chad R. Bresson" <breusswane@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Displayed?  The context doesn't justify that kind of translation.  that's a linguistic gimmick to ignore the obvious: Christ had to learn obedience (righteousness) and in learning obedience be "made perfect" (vs. 9).
 
Earn is another question for another passage.  I didn't bring "earn" into this verse.  Right now our disagreement is over the nature of Christ's humanity (the length of this conversation and the disagreement over the volume of passages suggests incompatible hermeneutics... which is why I initially balked at exegeting anything... we won't agree on any passage because one of us allows for implied revelation and one of us does not).  Christ the man was born with the need to learn to obey... with a need to develop righteousness in being made perfect.  The Righteous One learned righteousness.  The perfect One developed perfection.
 
To suggest otherwise is gnosticism in new clothing.
 
Chad

H Dorrington <hjdinfl@...> wrote:
Is that the question, how can some one who is all knowing learn something? Heb 5:8 is translated that He learned obedience may also be translated that He displayed or demonstrated obedience. To show by use and practice.

I thought the question was did He (need to) earn additional righteousness by His law keeping?

Harry



"Chad R. Bresson" 
wrote:
Then maybe you could explain what "learning obedience" means for someone who is inherently obedient.

Chad Bresson
Xenia, OH

H Dorrington wrote:

I have never denied the plain truth of Scripture that Christ Jesus was born under the law what I don't see is the implied inference that the perfectly righteous Son of God was not sufficient in righteousness so that He needed to come to earth to earn additional righteousness by learning obedience so He might impute some to my account.

Harry


Chad Richard Bresson 
wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "H Dorrington" 
> Not all humanity is under the law...

Christ was "tempted". Therefore he was under the law.

Chad Bresson
Xenia, OH

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