--- H Dorrington <hjdinfl@...> wrote: > Yes but it doesn't "tell us that Abraham was only righteous > through perfect obedience to the law." Yes it does. It tells us that Abraham was righteous because he obeyed God's commandments. > And yes Abraham did die. No he didn't. Die, when it is part of covenant cursing, is meant in the eternal sense. To be "cut off" (Gen. 17:14) is to go to hell. Chad Bresson Xenia, OH > > Harry > > > Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote: > Further, you're only telling half the story with Abraham. Genesis 26:5 says > God's eternal blessings for Abraham are because he obeyed his commandments. > It says nothing about "faith". Had Abraham not obeyed, he would have died > as a covenant breaker (Genesis 17:14). > > Chad Bresson > Xenia, OH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H Dorrington" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Active Obedience of Christ > > > > So Scripture was wrong in declaring that there are none righteous by > > observing the law, > > no not one? > > > > "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the > > law; rather, through the law we became conscious of sin. But now a > > righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the > > Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through > > faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all > > have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely > > by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God > > presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood." > > > > Chad says: "Yes, and the scriptures (Romans 10, Leviticus 18, Nehemiah 9, > > Luke 10, > > Galatians 3, etc.) also tell us that Abraham was only righteous through > > perfect obedience to the law." > > > > No it doesn't. See Romans 10:10; Gal 3:5 "Does he do it by the works of > > the Law or by the hearing of faith? Just as Abraham believed God by faith > > and it was counted to him for righteousness." Leviticus 18 and Luke 10 > > don't even mention Abraham! While Nehemiah mentions him only by his > > covenant saying he was faithful. > > > > Harry > > > > Chad Richard Bresson > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "H Dorrington" > >> Ah, but the just shall live by faith not the law. > > > > That's not what Romans 10:5 and Galatians 3:12 say. Those passages tell us > > (a la Leviticus 18) that the just (righteousness/eternal life) only live > > by > > keeping the law to perfection. > > > >> The context of Gal 3:12 is important: > > > > Yes... it's important... it tells us that eternal > > life/righteousness/justification only comes from obeying the law > > perfectly. > > > >>Abraham and what Scripture tells us about him "his faith was "counted to > >>him as righteousness." > > > > Yes, and the scriptures (Romans 10, Leviticus 18, Nehemiah 9, Luke 10, > > Galatians 3, etc.) also tell us that Abraham was only righteous through > > perfect obedience to the law. > > > > Chad Bresson > > Xenia, OH > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > -- > > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > >