Let me ask a few questions so that I might truly understand what you are saying. Are you saying that Abraham was totally righteous before God because of his obedience to the Law? Are you saying that Abraham's righteousness merited him his salvation? Are you saying that Abraham didn't taste of death? The sin that I committed today was in violation of what Law? Harry "Chad R. Bresson" <breusswane@...> wrote: --- H Dorrington wrote: > Yes but it doesn't "tell us that Abraham was only righteous > through perfect obedience to the law." Yes it does. It tells us that Abraham was righteous because he obeyed God's commandments. > And yes Abraham did die. No he didn't. Die, when it is part of covenant cursing, is meant in the eternal sense. To be "cut off" (Gen. 17:14) is to go to hell. Chad Bresson Xenia, OH > > Harry > > > Chad Richard Bresson wrote: > Further, you're only telling half the story with Abraham. Genesis 26:5 says > God's eternal blessings for Abraham are because he obeyed his commandments. > It says nothing about "faith". Had Abraham not obeyed, he would have died > as a covenant breaker (Genesis 17:14). > > Chad Bresson > Xenia, OH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H Dorrington" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Active Obedience of Christ > > > > So Scripture was wrong in declaring that there are none righteous by > > observing the law, no not one? > > > > "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the > > law; rather, through the law we became conscious of sin. But now a > > righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the > > Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through > > faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all > > have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely > > by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God > > presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood." > > > > Chad says: "Yes, and the scriptures (Romans 10, Leviticus 18, Nehemiah 9, > > Luke 10, > > Galatians 3, etc.) also tell us that Abraham was only righteous through > > perfect obedience to the law." > > > > No it doesn't. See Romans 10:10; Gal 3:5 "Does he do it by the works of > > the Law or by the hearing of faith? Just as Abraham believed God by faith > > and it was counted to him for righteousness." Leviticus 18 and Luke 10 > > don't even mention Abraham! While Nehemiah mentions him only by his > > covenant saying he was faithful. > > > > Harry > > > > Chad Richard Bresson > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "H Dorrington" > >> Ah, but the just shall live by faith not the law. > > > > That's not what Romans 10:5 and Galatians 3:12 say. Those passages tell us > > (a la Leviticus 18) that the just (righteousness/eternal life) only live > > by > > keeping the law to perfection. > > > >> The context of Gal 3:12 is important: > > > > Yes... it's important... it tells us that eternal > > life/righteousness/justification only comes from obeying the law > > perfectly. > > > >>Abraham and what Scripture tells us about him "his faith was "counted to > >>him as righteousness." > > > > Yes, and the scriptures (Romans 10, Leviticus 18, Nehemiah 9, Luke 10, > > Galatians 3, etc.) also tell us that Abraham was only righteous through > > perfect obedience to the law. > > > > Chad Bresson > > Xenia, OH --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace