CHAD:  What you'd like us to believe is that Christ's relationship as the
Last Adam with God was of "grace through faith".  What's true of Adam
must be true for Christ in order for Christ to be any kind of an Adam. 
And Christ certainly needed no grace. And this is the Shepherdian heresy:
Christ needed faith just like Adam.  Faith is only always in lieu of
sinful man's inability to access God on his own merit.

MARK:  No argument here that Christ is the second Adam.  But when you say
Christ needed no grace or needed no faith is beyond me.  I guess you're
going to tell me that Christ the man somehow needed to learn obedience
(Heb. 5:8) but didn't need to learn faith, which would imply grace.  How
does Christ "grow in favor with God" without believing in God (Lk. 2:52)?
 Do you honestly believe that there is obedience devoid of faith? 
Obedience IS faith.  Take the greatest commandment.  It tells us to love
God with all we possess.  1 Cor. 13 tells us that love BELIEVES all
things.  Can I love God with everything and yet not believe Him?  Or is
that commandment only for sinners and Adam didn't need to love God with
all his heart in the garden (which, BTW, he did perfectly)?

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