CHAD: This is precisely what Trent said. What we have here is full blown New Perspective and Norman Shepherd with a foot in Rome's door. MARK: I think what's full blown is legalism. Obeying without believing is what the pharisees taught. The last time I checked, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved," was a command. ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!