Genesis 15:6 "And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness." By faith just as Paul declares. That is true righteousness. Harry malajaa@... wrote: Mike writes: Then Harry, what is the "righteousness which is based on the Law" about which Moses writes? On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:25:28 -0700 (PDT) H Dorrington writes: > We agree on your conclusion but I cannot call Rom 10:5 a Pauline > endorsement of the righteousness which man can earn by obeying the > law. If anything he is showing that it is a false place to put your > trust and because so many Jews are putting their trust there we need > to get out and preach the good news that Christ is the end of the > law for righteousness since He took our sins to the cross and paid > the price of atonement there. > > Harry > > Chad Richard Bresson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H Dorrington" > > Whoa. Who is putting Romans 10:5 before Romans 3:21? > > "For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the > law...But the > > righteousness of faith speaks in this way..." > > Romans 10:5 is not a Pauline endorsement of the righteousness of > the law > > but just the opposite! > > Yes it is. He both affirms righteousness by the law and outside of > the law > within two verses. Both are true. The only *reason* righteousness > cannot > be through the law for a sinner (this is the case being made in the > whole of > Romans) is because of man's inability to keep a law that would save > him if > he could keep it (Gal. 3:12). > > >Read the verses before 10:5 and see that Paul describes the > righteousness > >of the law as a false righteousness. Why >should we also be > ignorant? > >"They have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge." > > Right. They rightly understood that perfectly obedience to the law > would > get them righteousness. They wrongly understood (not according to > knowledge) that they had the wherewithall to keep the law. > > There's a reason *why* the Jews in Christ's day and the Roman > Catholic > Church believe that obeying the law brings salvation: because the > whole of > the canon says so. They don't have to do any finagling of the text to > get > them to their works oriented salvation. They rightly understand > "obedience > for life". They wrongly understand that man has any capability of > doing > what is necessary (perfection) for "obedience for life." > > Chad Bresson > Xenia, OH > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace