"So if Roman's 7 describes marriage to Christ (in very unflattering terms)then who is the dear lady married to in Romans 8?" I believe the marriage in Romans 7 is to the law and it is to Christ in Romans 8. "Why does Paul end with a battle between the mind and flesh?" He doesn't! The chapter breaks were later inserted by scribes. Paul did not end it there! Harry --- William and Dorothy Oosterman <tulip01@...> wrote: > Thanks ( Jim, Ian) for the responses to my earlier > question. > > I can't resist a couple questions on this topic: > > 1. Why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned once in > Romans 7:7:25 and 14 times > in the first 14 verses of Romans 8. For such a > careful logical writer as > Paul (not to mention the H.S.) this is deliberate. > 2. Who is the first marriage to in Romans 7? The > law? Then who is the second > husband? Christ? Is Paul's usual method to state > something and then work it > out in detail? > 3. So if Roman's 7 describes marriage to Christ (in > very unflattering terms) > then who is the dear lady married to in Romans 8? > 4. Perhaps her husband went through a conversion and > now life is easier for > her? > 5. Why does Paul end with a battle between the mind > and flesh? > 6. How is that different from Gal. 5:17 where he > also describes FAILURE but > in a battle between the Spirit and the flesh? > 7. Is it possible for a man who is not regenerate, > but convicted of sin, to > experience "delighting" and agreeing with the law? > > Example: I tell two friends , Mr. Goat and Mr. Sheep > all about the sins of > the heart and how God judges. Up until now he has > been confident and assured > as a historic Christian. All at once both come under > conviction. Both > struggle and feely badly about. Both clearly agree > in and delight (when > successful) in keeping the law. Both are miserable > when they fail. One > presses on to Christ and liberty. The other finds > the experience to be, > eventually, negative and turns back. > > 8. Paul slanders the law (in the eyes of Jews) in > 5:20. Is Romans 7 an > explanation of the purpose of the law, as well as a > vindication of the law, > rather than a description of average daily living as > a Christian. > 9. If Romans 7 describes average daily living, what > does Romans 8 describe? > Perhaps preterism? ( :) ) > 10. When Paul uses the word carnal in 8, to describe > the unsaved, and a > slave to sin in 6 to describe the unsaved, how could > he be so careless as to > use BOTH in one sentence to describe himself as a > mature believer? > 11. Why would Paul do that when he is so careful > with words he even defines > "brethren" in Romans 9 to avoid misconceptions? > > Just a few questions - I have more.... > > William > > -----Original Message----- > From: moe.bergeron@... > [mailto:moe.bergeron@...] > Sent: 13 October 2004 14:41 > To: soundofgrace@... > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Romans 7 > > This is what I suspect is going on. The guy in > Romans 7 is a pre-New > Covenant Pentecost era brother. He's regenerate and > loves the law but he is > powerless to walk in it as he would desire, at least > not until the event > that defines Romans 8 comes along. > > With Romans 8 there's a newness brought to that same > man through the Spirit > Indwelling Inscription accompanied by all of the > dynamics resulting from > such a new relationship. He experiences a shift that > is brought to pass > through the ushering in of the New Covenant era by > the indwelling Spirit of > Christ or better yet, the Triune God. It's the very > relationship the > prophets and Jesus had predicted (John's Gospel - > The Book of Glory). > > So then,,,, Chapters 7 and 8 are not about who was > that man. It's all about > an event that has radically changed the dynamics of > holy living for that > man. It's the IN CHRIST relationship we as New > Covenant believers are to > walk in. > > There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who > are IN Christ Jesus, who > do NOT walk according to the flesh, but according to > the Spirit. For the law > of the Spirit of life has made me free from the law > of sin and death. (Rom > 8:1-2) > > C'mon guys this is New Covenant stuff and it > transforms! > > Moe > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail