A hard thought to swallow - much less preach my brother - but I do agree with you - God's goodness will one day be vindicated - in the face of all of our human "hard to understand" questions...God is need good and therefore all He does is good - even if it seems awful to us. _______________________________ Peter Charlebois Pastor; First Baptist Church 308 Red River Road Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada P7B 1B1 (807) 345 8536 (Office) - (807) 344 0961 (Fax) "Only one life, T'will soon be past only what's done for Christ will last" (C.T. Studd) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brown, Stanley To: 'soundofgrace@...' Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability No I would not argue that if you are talking about infants. I personally think infants who die are elect. I have no scripture for this. However, I am also willing to concede that God is great and good, and that if infants go to hell He is no less so. SPB > -----Original Message----- > From: Pasta Pete [SMTP:psalm119@...] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:50 PM > To: soundofgrace@... > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability > > Does it follow the brother, that only the non-elect die before they come > to faith in Christ? (I feel we've been down this road before :-) ) The > elect will surely come to Christ - because they have been give to Him by > the Father (John 6:37) Indeed - wood you argue then that since they have > died before coming to Christ - they are not elect and therefore - they are > not in heaven? > _______________________________ > Peter Charlebois > Pastor; First Baptist Church > 308 Red River Road > Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada P7B 1B1 > (807) 345 8536 (Office) - (807) 344 0961 (Fax) > > "Only one life, T'will soon be past > only what's done for Christ will last" (C.T. Studd) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brown, Stanley > To: 'soundofgrace@...' > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:37 PM > Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability > > > They only enter heaven if they are elect. Everyone of us is condemned > already in Adam. > SPB > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pasta Pete [SMTP:psalm119@...] > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:21 PM > > To: soundofgrace@... > > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability > > > > I think what MacArthur is arguing is that the sin nature is present - > but > > NOT the sin action. Sin nature does not condemn but only sinful > actions - > > therefore since a unborn child has not acted upon or has not acted > > consistent with, his sin nature they are not condemned and thus enter > > heaven. > > > > I was quite surprised when I heard him make the claim, as if anyone > who > > did not see it as crystal clear as he appprarently did - was so > incredibly > > blind to the testimony of scripture that they hardly deserved to be in > the > > ministry. Clearly - it's not so clear! > > > > This is not an academic issue for us at our church right now - as just > > last Lord's Day a 3 week premature child died of complications from a > > disease he was born with. I'd ask you folks to keep the family of > little > > Simeon in pray along with the parents Scott and Jenn. > > > > I am praying with the assurance of him in the Lord's presence right > now - > > confident although wide open to this conversation. > > _______________________________ > > Peter Charlebois > > Pastor; First Baptist Church > > 308 Red River Road > > Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada P7B 1B1 > > (807) 345 8536 (Office) - (807) 344 0961 (Fax) > > > > "Only one life, T'will soon be past > > only what's done for Christ will last" (C.T. Studd) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Reisinger > > To: soundofgrace@... > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:31 AM > > Subject: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability > > > > > > Individuals only become guilty when they commit there first sin and > > every > > baby has already committed their first sin when they sinned in Adam, > > Romans > > 5:12-14. The "age of accountability" ended in the Garden for all > men, > > included babies. 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