Dear William:  I am on your side. However, I think you are using the wrong
arguments. Roamns 5:12-14 is emphatic.
(1) Find death and you have found guilt being punished. An innocent person
can not besubject to death.
(2)  Death is the penalty for sin.
(3)  No sin -  no death  -  find death and you find sin being punished.
(4)  If a day old child was not a guilty sinner deserving death that child
could not die.
(5)  To argue for the inncocence of a child as prove of its salvation is to
clearly contradict Scripture.
(6)  To believ that the merits of Christ can applied to an infant, or unborn
child, is another matter altogether. I believe the latter but those merits
are applied to guilty sinners, true chidren of Adam.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William and Dorothy Oosterman" <tulip01@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:40 AM
Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability


> Individuals only become guilty when they commit there first sin and every
> baby has already committed their first sin when they sinned in Adam,
Romans
> 5:12-14.  The "age of accountability" ended in the Garden for all men,
> included babies.   JGR
>
>
>
> Then why would God clearly state that "for the children not yet being
born,
> nor having done any good or evil"? God should have stated that they had
both
> already sinned, instead of declaring them innocent. God does not declare
> them guilty, vicariously or otherwise, but innocent.
>
> All those who believe that infants/aborted babies etc are lost  should
> consider this
>
> 1. The mother, not believing in a soul, or a life beyond this one, ends
the
> life in herself, believing it is not a human life - just so much tissue.
>
> 2. God, knowing that "the children not yet being born, nor having done any
> good or evil" takes the souls of aborted children and ensures they suffer
> the unspeakable horrors of a conscious eternal hell, separated from him
and
> enduring his fierce wrath as described in the Word.
>
> Makes you think about who is responsible and for what.
>
> Wm.
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