Willima:  Where does Scripture say, "The wages of having a sin nature is
death?"  No where does Scripture suggest that Christ died to pay the penalty
for a sin nature. Christ said His blood to pay for the actualy guilt of sin.
(1)  Is death the penalty for sin?  Romans 6:23
(2)  When a baby dies are they dying only because they are guilty of sin and
receving the penalty of death for sin?

You are denying imputed guilt and maling it possible to deny imputed
righteousness. Did you read Chad's post on this aspect of the discussion?

JGR




----- Original Message -----
From: "William and Dorothy Oosterman" <tulip01@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability


> Joe,
>
> I made it quite clear in an earlier post that the blood of Christ must
> redeem the infant from the sin nature. But God makes it clear the infant
> does not need to be redeemed from actual sins, having none. They will be
> singing "Worthy..." The position I hold does justice to BOTH sides of the
> issue - both types of texts.
> Wm.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph R. Terrell [mailto:pastor@...]
> Sent: 04 December 2004 16:01
> To: soundofgrace@...
> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability
>
>
> Wm.
>
> If what you say is true, then the child is in heaven, not because of the
> redemptive work of Christ, but because of his personal innocence.
According
> to your argument (if I understand it correctly) only the child's physical
> resurection at the last day can be attributed to Christ's death.  If this
is
> so, then not everyone in heaven will be singing, "Worthy art thou for
thout
> hast refeemed us by the blood..."  Instead, it will be appropriate for
those
> dying in infancy (or the womb) to sing, "Worthy are we, for we never
> sinned."
>
> Once again, let me emphasize that I am not arguing for or against the
> salvation of infants, just whether or not they be sinners worthy of
> everlasting judgment.  If I am wrong in my analysis and use of your
belief,
> let me know.
>
> Joe T
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William and Dorothy Oosterman" <tulip01@...>
> To: <soundofgrace@...>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [soundofgrace] Re:age of accountability
>
>
> > John,
> > I understand what you are saying. As in Adam all die, so in Christ are
all
> > made alive. So, is not the first  death of the infant (physical - not
> > spiritual- as in hell, the second death) a result of Adam's sin, not the
> > Childs, as the child has not sinned. The child dies because
> > i) it does have a sin nature
> > ii) it has sinned vicariously - not actually - in that Adam sinned
> >
> > thus all (except Christ) are mortal because in Adam all die.
> > The child can die, while not being actually guilty of sin, as it has a
sin
> > nature and is a descendant of Adam.
> >
> > Wm.
>
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