[soundofgrace] Re: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives.

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From: "Steve Fuchs" <SteveF_MS@...>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:28:24 -0700
Just a nit from an oft accused perfectionist:

III.  The “Scriptures ...are referring to the OTS ...
and
IV. The 39 books written before Christ (Genesis to Malachi - we will call 
these 39 books the “Old Testament Scriptures.”) ...the 27 books written 
after Christ (which we will call the “New Testament Scriptures.”)

seems to conflict with:

V. We total reject calling the 39 books written before Christ “the Old 
Testament” and likewise reject calling the 27 books written after Christ 
“the New Testament.” Using these labels to divide up our Bibles has caused 
no end of confusion.

or do you distinguish meaningfully between the labels 'Old Testament' and 
'Old Testament Scriptures'?

in grace brother,
Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Reisinger" <24jreisinger26@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives.


This is "off the top of my head." It is meant only as start to stimulate 
thinking. and comment.  JGR



I. The Bible, all 66 books. are equally inspired by God. II Tim. 3:15.



II.  All 66 books of the Bible are profitable and authoritative for 
“teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteous.”  II Tim. 3:15



III.  The “Scriptures which Timothy learned (II Tim. 3:15) and which are 
both inspired by God and therefore profitable and authoritative for 
“teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteous” are referring to 
the OTS in Paul’s admonition in II Tim. 3:15-17. It is these Scriptures that 
Paul said could “equip the man of God for every good work” (II Tim 3:17).



IV. The 39 books written before Christ (Genesis to Malachi - we will call 
these 39 books the “Old Testament Scriptures.”) are just as must the 
authoritative Word of God for the Christian today as they were for the 
Israelite. Those 39 books are a vital part of the rule of life for a 
Christian today. However, the OTS must be understood and interpreted through 
the lens of the 27 books written after Christ (which we will call the “New 
Testament Scriptures.”)



V. We total reject calling the 39 books written before Christ “the Old 
Testament” and likewise reject calling the 27 books written after Christ 
“the New Testament.” Using these labels to divide up our Bibles has caused 
no end of confusion.



            1.  We clearly distinguish, and seek to maintain in our 
teaching, the real and distinct difference between the phrase “Old 
 Testament” and “Old Covenant.” The phrase “Old Testament,” when used to 
refer to the 39 books of the Bible written before Christ is purely a 
literally division without any Scriptural authority. The phrase “Old 
Covenant” is a Biblical term and should be used exclusively for the “Old 
Covenant” that God made with Israel at Mount Sinai. The “Old Testament 
Scriptures” have a historical beginning but no historical end. They will 
remain forever a part of the inspired Word of God. The “Old Covenant” also 
has a historical beginning, at Mount Sinai, and it also had an historical 
end, at the coming of Christ. The New Covenant that Christ established 
replaces, in its totality, the Old Covenant.”

            2. Likewise we insist that we do the same thing with the phrase 
“New Testament Scriptures” and “New Covenant.” The New Testament Scriptures, 
the 27 books of the Bible written after Christ came, do not replace the Old 
Testament Scriptures; they are added to the 39 books and become part of our 
one equally inspired Bible. On the other hand, the “New Covenant” totally 
replaces and does away with the “Old Covenant.”

            3. When NCT insists that the “Old Covenant” in its entirety has 
been done away, we do not mean the “Old Testament Scriptures” have been done 
away in any sense whatever. Not one single verse in the entire Old Testament 
Scriptures has been done away even though the Old Covenant” in its entirety 
has been done away.



VI.  The center of the Bible and the key to understanding its message and 
its unity is the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Covenants and 
Dispensations are important and understanding them both are essential to 
understanding the message of the Bible but the redemptive work of Christ as 
planned, purposed and brought about by God’s sovereign providence is the key 
to the Bible. The Bible is a HIM-book.

See Heb. 10:5  and  Luke 24.



VII.  The bulk of the Bible is built around two major covenants. They are 
described in Scripture as the “Old and New Covenants.”   See Gal. 4:24-26. 
Jer. 31:31-34 cf. Heb. 8:6-10; 10:15,16.



VIII.  Both of these covenants are clearly identified in Scripture as the 
covenant made with Israel at Sinai and the New Covenant in Christ that 
replaces the Old Covenant made with Israel at Sinai. See Gal 4:24-26 and 
Heb. 8:6-13.



IX. Exactly what is “the Old Covenant”? When, and with whom, was it made? 
What are its specific terms?  Why was it so essential that the Old Covenant 
must be done away and replaced with the New Covenant? These questions will 
be answered in detail later. We are only concerned with an outline at this 
point.

            (1)  The basic summary document of the Old Covenant was the 
“Tablets of the Covenant” or Ten Commandments given to Israel at Sinai as 
the terms of their national covenant relationship with God.. See Exodus 
34:27-29; Deut. 5:1-4; 9:9-11. This is why the box that was built for the 
express purpose of housing the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments 
is called the “Ark of the Covenant,” it housed the summary document of the 
covenant or Tablets of the Covenant. See Deut: 9:9-11. For a detailed study 
of the place and function of the Ten Commandments in Scripture see our book, 
“The Tablets of Stone & the History of Redemption.”

            (2)  “The Book of the Covenant”was added and made a  part of 
the Old Covenant. See Exodus 24:6-8. This book was laid along side of the 
Ark of the Covenant (Deut. 31:26).At different times in history the Book of 
Law was revised. The Tablets of the Covenant was never changed. In actual 
fact, the Tablets of the Covenant, or Ten Commandments, were only seen by 
human eyes one time after being put in that box and that one look cost 
50,070 lives (1 Sam. 6:19). Paul calls the Book of the Covenant “the Book of 
the Law” in Gal. 3:10.

            (3)  Finally the entire system of laws and ceremonies became 
part of the”Old Covenant.” See Jer. 34:13,14 and 2 Kings 23:21 for proof 
that the so-called ceremonial law was considered part of the Old Covenant.1 
The Old Covenant equals Judaism. The phrase “the Law of Moses” is synonymous 
the “Old Covenant.”

                One of the basic problems New Covenant Theology must deal 
with concerns the relationship of the Old to the New. Notice I did not say 
what “Old” and “New” I was talking about. That fact is part of the real 
problem that we face. If I am asking what the relationship is between the 
Old and New Covenants that is one thing. If I am asking what is the 
relationship between the Old and New Testaments I asking an entirely 
different question. If I am asking what is the relationship between the Old 
Covenant and the New Testament then I am really confusing the issue.

            The problem we are discussing is called “Continuity versus 
Discontinuity.”  What part of the Old is brought over into the New and what 
is fulfilled and done away? Again, the question is confusing and impossible 
to answer until we ask and answer “What specific old and new thing are you 
talking about?” My answer will make some people angry and others will quit 
reading and say, “Reisinger’s simplistic answer shows that he does not 
understand how complex the problem is.” In my defense, let me say that I do 
understand how complex the question is if the questions are framed within 
current systematic theologies. However, the complexity grows out of not 
carefully defining exactly what we talking about. That requires carefully 
defining the terms we are using.





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1  At one point I held that the Old Covenant and the Ten Commandments were 
one on one the same thing. I changed my mind and now hold to the above. My 
detailed reasons for changning are set forth in my book “Tablets of Stone.”

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